Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[LiadansWhisper]

I think a good idea would be to make a thread that said "Make ARR more it's own game" rather than comparing it to any other game, because what the majority of people here criticizing ARR just want a different type of MMO, one that does not follow the EQ/WoW formula and it's tons of clones.

I liked your post just for this line. Make FFXIV its own game. Not FFXI. Not WoW. Not EQ, or SWTOR, or Rift.

But I also think that taking things that worked from all of those games is not a bad thing. Making a concerted effort to have content for casual users as well as more hardcore users is something that I think this game is really trying to embrace. I think that's a good thing (even if I don't completely agree with how they've gone about it).

[jomoru]

exactly this, thank you.



you ever asked yourself why hardcore Players do this?

I never had any Problems to run out of Content in XI, due the armory System (XI one) and the Content with ZM,CoP,Wotg, the Gear Switch System and complex battlesystem u were never finished. Exactly this we could have, if yoshi sticked to the 1.23 Combatsystem.
This thread wasnt created to talk about a XI-2 HD Edition, all we asking for is more deph and Long Lasting Content and Equip with fights we can Enjoy and Long Story Line to get acces to open World Areas. Not more. not less, no1 asking for a death Penalty or 7 Months Grind for Level 75.

are you sure the 7 month grind wasn't why no one ever finished?

[Arkune]

How about those who want more FF11....play FF11? Seems legit.

Troll Spottet!

You still have yet to provide a coherent and logical reason why SE should scrap what they're doing and copy a game that has never achieved even half the success that ARR has right now.

Well you have a clue about the history of XI?

1) Final Fantasy XIV had alot more Promotion then XI.

2) XI were only aviable in Game Import Shops and pretty much unknown in the EU. It arrived the EU market at the end of 2004 but it was only aviable in English, not everyone speak/understand English if their Main Language is German/French etc.

3) 2007 was the first big language Patch with German and French and this patch came a way too late because WoW already ruled the MMO Market.

are you sure the 7 month grind wasn't why no one ever finished?

Well, i am sure it wasnt because of the 7 Months grind, you had YEARS to obtain your Items, and it took you Years to max out a Job (Best in Slot) because the Linkshell rotate Content and not every Content had something for your Class you wanted to max out.

[LiadansWhisper]

Well you have a clue about the history of XI?

1) Final Fantasy XIV had alot more Promotion then XI.

2) XI were only aviable in Game Import Shops and pretty much unknown in the EU. It arrived the EU market at the end of 2004 but it was only aviable in English, not everyone speak/understand English if their Main Language is German/French etc.

3) 2007 was the first big language Patch with German and French and this patch came a way too late because WoW already ruled the MMO Market.

None of this, in any way, changes that XI has never been nearly as successful as this game currently is.

[ErBear]

I think a good idea would be to make a thread that said "Make ARR more it's own game" rather than comparing it to any other game, because what the majority of people here criticizing ARR just want a different type of MMO, one that does not follow the EQ/WoW formula and it's tons of clones.

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Hey Dannythm, Rokien here, I'll be playing eqnext when it comes out, should try and find me on there, we can play together. We seem to have the same mindset. Dannas29 is my skype.

[ErBear]

None of this, in any way, changes that XI has never been nearly as successful as this game currently is.

Because more people play angry birds than this game, does that mean angry birds is a better game?

[Doo]

Because more people play angry birds than this game, does that mean angry birds is a better game?

That and early success doesn't really mean much to begin with. I'm sure newer mmos all tend to get over 1mil subs till the next hype comes along. When FFXIV starts to make more money than FFXI ever did then we can talk about it being more successful but still that doesn't mean it's a better game. Just means it appeals to a wider audience like McDonalds appeals to a wider audience.

btw Welcome back Rokien!

[JMadFour]

Off-Topic

Well the only time i was reading something about 1,5m was the copys they are sold from the game, after the free month it turned into arround 600k Subs. (this was my latest update about the numbers)

WoW still has near 6M subbings but arround 50% of them are only Chinese Playerbase because Blizzard were smart enough to translate the game in Chinese and thats a known fact.

Casual Players run from one Game to another and rarely stick 5-10 Years to one Game because they cant or dont want to. (my personal experience with casuals, no offense at all)

sorry, but in my 15+ years of MMO experience, I've seen that it is pretty much the exact opposite of what you've said here in bold.

Casual players generally stick to one game, because they don't have the time or funds to juggle multiple MMOs. they play their One game at their own casual pace, and they see the "endgame" at some point in the distant future. they build their network of friends, guilds, server communities based around the one game and they dedicate themselves, thematically, to one game. unless that game does something extremely bad (i.e. SWG's NGE) to push them away. this is why older (meaning pre-WoW) MMOs still have any populations at all.

It is the "hardcores" that move from game to game. They buy a new game, play it for 50 hours a week for 2-3 months, burn through all of the content. then they sit on the forums and complain about not having anything to do, until the next set of content is released, which they blow through in 3 weeks, playing 40ish hours a week.

then the next MMO comes out, and they and all of their Hardcore Raiding Guilds all jump to that one and do the same thing. occasionally hopping back to previous MMOs if a content release intrigues them.

I want to see how much Subs this Game will lose this Year when The new WoW Expansion, Wildstar Online, ESO , Black Desert Online, EQN will be released.

I'll bet you any amount of Gil that I can acquire, than the vast majority of players that leave this game for these new games will be the Hardcore Raiding population (and PVP Population, in the case of ESO). NOT "casuals".

[jomoru]

That and early success doesn't really mean much to begin with. I'm sure newer mmos all tend to get over 1mil subs till the next hype comes along. When FFXIV starts to make more money than FFXI ever did then we can talk about it being more successful but still that doesn't mean it's a better game. Just means it appeals to a wider audience like McDonalds appeals to a wider audience.

btw Welcome back Rokien!

No they don't. FF 14 is doing much better than Square anticipated.

[Obysuca]

WoW had a crazy ad campaign which helped stimulate its subs.

SE's advertisement budget must be slim to none. Rarely see any commercials for any of its games.

That's something that SE fails at :/ I saw 1 commercial, ONE, for XI way back in like 02-03, that was it. WoW just shoves ads down your throat every chance they get.

Well, at least outside Japan, apparently SE does tons of promotional things there for their games.


Also, for all you people saying XI never had more than 200k - 300k, just to prove you wrong, take this >.> As it was said before, 1 mil for a game just released is nothing, the real subs count for a bit later (year, sometimes less). For when this was posted, 2 mil for that far into the game is pretty good.

Regardless WoW is the same age as FFXI and has sustained 7-12M throughout its lifetime.

I just feel like pointing out, it's not the same age as XI lol XI is older. One of the reasons WoW has that many is because they throw ads at you whenever they get the chance and I'm sure they count those subs after an expansion when people come back. I remember reading a thing a few years back how WoW counts their RMT as players and each of the characters made as a "player" so I'm sure their subs are probably around ~5 mil, the rest being RMT, characters that are unactive or just people who come back for an expansion for a few months.