Make FFXIV more like FFXI and less like WoW

[Dale]

This isn't WoW. Not by a longshot.

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Yes it is. Most of your so-called examples of differences were extremely trivial and bordering on the absurd.

For example: when your argument relies on such insignificant semantics as there are no jobs on WoW you aren't going to be convincing anyone you are right. In fact, after going through that long lists of so-called differences you wrote you have done nothing but convince me even more that this game is basically a WoW clone. Because judging by what you listed, if these are your best examples of a contrast I remain unconvinced. In fact most of what you write actually shows the similarities with WoW not the differences. You just focus in on tiny details and act like they make a difference.

FF14 basically copied and pasted WoW's model. An endgame grind that focuses almost entirely on using an instance finder to get tomestones, justice points whatever you want to call them for character upgrades. It also relies heavily on twitch-game play - such as dodging traps - to provide challenge rather than a complex and strategic battle system. It's even copying WoW's pvp model now. And if you can't see this you are just being difficult on purpose in my opinion because it is so obvious it's just impossible to deny.

In all of the fundamentals, such as over-all design, structure and game play - this game is basically a copycat of WoW. Rather that's a good thing or not depends almost entirely on if you like WoW's design or not. But I can tell you right now, there is no honest person on this earth who hates WoW who is going to be thrilled with this game. Why? Because they are so much alike.

[Gideon]

After reading through a lot of this, I still fail to see how this is a bad thing? It took the Final Fantasy XI "world", and completely rehabbed it. Learning from other, popular, MMOs that have come out since and iterating on the things that made it FF in the first place.

Many of us, honestly, hated the forced group content and grind of FFXI. It's actually why I quit the game, it was impossible to solo anything after 20 and tagging around with a group for my entire playtime? No thanks.

A lot of us have grown up and out of the hardcore MMO genre. We don't have the time to invest in all day group content, raiding, or anything else. Making games "casual friendly"/"accessible"/etc is logical for any company and it's why WoW is still the 800lb gorilla and one of the last MMOs that can justify a monthly service fee (this being one of the others).

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[Gideon]

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You've made 0 compelling arguments about why the advancements FFXIV have made, the features it's borrowed, the designs its emulated, and the things its iterated are a bad thing. Who cares if it was inspired by another game? Every game, artist, writer, filmmaker or creative type is INSPIRED by others. It isn't what they drew from, its how they brought their flavor to it that makes their work unique and valuable. Square, Yoshi.P, and the entire team has done a fantastic job of iterating in so many of the right ways, while staying true to FF.

If the in-game treadmill isnt tedious enough for you, if leveling is too quick, if gear is acquired too easily, maybe this isnt the game for you? FFXI is still live. Eve is live. A lot of korean and chinese MMOs require the kind of dedication you allude to. Maybe you and FFXIV just need to break up?

[Dale]

"Basically the I want to be able to easily solo everything because I don't play all day argument"

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Just because you don't play the game all day (I don't play the game all day either btw. I doubt many of us do) doesn't really justify the need to turn the world of an MMORPG into a solo game in my opinion.

I get that you want to solo a lot. That's fine. But maybe you should consider playing a solo game if that is the case. You can always do facebook and other social media outlets if you just want to socialize. But multi-player games are suppose to be about playing with others. And a lot of us are tired of being nearly forced into soloing all the time unless we are spamming another one of these so-called instances for the 100th time.

[Dale]

the features it's borrowed

Semantics.

You say borrowed we say copied. It amounts to the same thing.

[Gideon]

I get that you want to solo a lot. That's fine. But maybe you should consider playing a solo game if that is the case. You can always do facebook and other social media outlets if you just want to socialize. But multi-player games are suppose to be about playing with others.

I think you're missing the point. You're trying to take an extreme version of what I'm saying to invalidate my point, it's a poor argument tactic. I dont want to be forced to group for EVERYTHING. I can't solo a single level 50 duty. Hell, I still get c*ck-blocked by titan HM. And that's fun, compelling, and keeps me going. It drives me to improve my gear, it drives me to run more duties. But I can do dailies, I can jump onto another job and solo-grind, I can grind leves. There must be a good mix to make something compelling.

[Gideon]

Semantics.

You say borrowed we say copied. It amounts to the same thing.

Semantics aside, still doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

[Doo]

I can't solo a single level 50 duty. Hell, I still get c*ck-blocked by titan HM. And that's fun, compelling, and keeps me going.

Just buy it. Easy to earn the money to get it done.

[Dale]

Semantics aside, still doesn't mean it's a bad thing.

If you liked WoW's design it will be a good thing. If you favored Final Fantasy 11's design it will be a bad thing.

That's the whole point of the OP's post. He/she is saying this game is modeled after WoW rather than its predecessor. And that is true. And how you can say that is staying true to FF with a straight face is beyond me. They stayed true to World of Warcraft. Not Final Fantasy.

[Dale]

I think you're missing the point. You're trying to take an extreme version of what I'm saying to invalidate my point, it's a poor argument tactic. .

But it's not an extreme view. What I said was precisely accurate and true. Outside of queued instances, this game is basically designed to be a solo game (which is exactly what I said).

And it was designed this way because of players like you, who for some reason I don't understand want to solo nearly all of the time on a multi-player game and never want to feel an incentive to play with others.

So again, I ask.. why play a multi-player game if solo content is your main objective? It doesn't make any sense to me.