Despite its flaws, i like this game a lot

[Bled]

Indeed.

While I've heard what a cesspool the lodestone forum has been, I didn't really think it was really this bad. Frankly, sometimes it seems like those who hates the game have taken it to the point where they also start to hate people who might actually enjoy the game.

And this is different from other gaming forums how?

[CptGrimlock]

they need to make a dislike button for posts like this

The game sucks. Fact.

All you can do is grind by doing leves/behest.
Equips sucks big time. (visual and stats wise - Mages use the same robe from 1 to 50)
NMs are too easy.
No content at all.
Sidequests are pathetic. Even WoW ones are better.
Party play is depressing.

The next patch will be SE's last attempt to save the game. At least to me.
If they *** this up, then i'll just go ahead and uninstall it.

8 f'ing months and still no Delivery box/mail.
Can't kick/invites members that are not next to you.

Yea, great game!

If you are still playing this "unique" game, to me it means one of 3 things:
1- You just started
2- You got nothing better to do
3- You are a SE fanboy

I'd rather have a FFXI-2 than what we have today, cause at least i'd be playing something.

[Renshi]

The game sucks. Fact.

All you can do is grind by doing leves/behest.
Equips sucks big time. (visual and stats wise - Mages use the same robe from 1 to 50)
NMs are too easy.
No content at all.
Sidequests are pathetic. Even WoW ones are better.
Party play is depressing.

The next patch will be SE's last attempt to save the game. At least to me.
If they *** this up, then i'll just go ahead and uninstall it.

8 f'ing months and still no Delivery box/mail.
Can't kick/invites members that are not next to you.

Yea, great game!

If you are still playing this "unique" game, to me it means one of 3 things:
1- You just started
2- You got nothing better to do
3- You are a SE fanboy

I'd rather have a FFXI-2 than what we have today, cause at least i'd be playing something.

Everybody knows facts. Fact.
We're here to evolve them, and this post makes the inverse.

[Mikita]

Unfortunately it is a very balanced view, as the people who are unhappy far outnumber the people who are happy. Take the unhappy people that still play out of the game and the game would die. The happy people are not enough to keep this game alive. SE needs to make the unhappy people happy for this game to survive unfortunately.

Yes, you would definitely get that feeling if you judge by the tone of the forums.

I humbly beg to differ based on what I see.
Maybe because I'm naturally chatty or the fact that I speak both English and Japanese, but I have many friends across 3 active Linkshells, plus many non-LS friends who I see and play with for hours every day.

Almost none of them are on the forums -- either English or Japanese.
Instead, many of us are much more active with our Lodestone blogs, sharing our pictures and in-game adventures.


But to your point, I hope SE continues to improve the game and that they are able to turn some of the unhappy players back into happy ones.

Like others have already said, that is ultimately what we all want -- to have fun playing this game.

[Levian]

Uhm...Not tryin to pick on you or anything Mikita, but it's pretty obvious you're not going to find many people with a negative view of the game IN the game. The people in your shells are among the few that can tolerate or find enjoyment with the game in it's current state. Everyone else that's tried it and didn't like it aren't playing or posting lodestone blogs. In game is only one half of the coin, to find the otherside you have to look elsewhere.

You'll find a better cross section of everyone's views on the forums, because most people who tried it and didn't like it aren't going to bother playing. But that doesn't mean these people wanted the game to fail, I think that most everyone that bought it wanted (and still want) it to succeed. So they poke around the forums, keep an eye on developement, and of course post their likes, dislikes, sugestions etc.

Even if you don't want to judge by the tone of the forums...this game was intended to be a subscription based game, and they aren't charging a subscription fee for it. The "happy" people really are in the minority and can't sustain the game, otherwise they would be charging for it and making a little money (or at break even) while they do their overhauling.

[KaiKatzchen]

Uhm...Not tryin to pick on you or anything Mikita, but it's pretty obvious you're not going to find many people with a negative view of the game IN the game. The people in your shells are among the few that can tolerate or find enjoyment with the game in it's current state. Everyone else that's tried it and didn't like it aren't playing or posting lodestone blogs. In game is only one half of the coin, to find the otherside you have to look elsewhere.

You'll find a better cross section of everyone's views on the forums, because most people who tried it and didn't like it aren't going to bother playing. But that doesn't mean these people wanted the game to fail, I think that most everyone that bought it wanted (and still want) it to succeed. So they poke around the forums, keep an eye on developement, and of course post their likes, dislikes, sugestions etc.

Even if you don't want to judge by the tone of the forums...this game was intended to be a subscription based game, and they aren't charging a subscription fee for it. The "happy" people really are in the minority and can't sustain the game, otherwise they would be charging for it and making a little money (or at break even) while they do their overhauling.

But these people who tried it and don't like it so they don't play it... how can they give an accurate view on how the game should be fixed if they don't know whats going on inside the game? There are people on the forums saying they haven't played in months (sometimes 5+ months) and SE should fix 'X', 'Y' and 'Z'... then they find out "oh by the way this thread doesn't help because x and y have been fixed, z is being worked on now".

The people who do help SE, and the people who want this game to be fixed, the most are people who say what is wrong with the game while actually going into the game to check and test said flaws to see if they are still an issue. I can tell you while a lot of people enjoy the game and can find things to do in the game, they are not happy with the way the game is. I like the game, my shell makes it very fun and I am sure many of my LS mates will agree. But they will also agree that there are problems with the game they want fixed, and that the game can improve greatly. Last night we were sitting there chatting and totally dogging issues with the game, making fun of it but we aren't going to leave or rage quit, because then we won't know when/if those issues are fixed and what needs to be worked on next or brought back up.

If we don't know when those issues are fixed we will keep complaining about it, and how does that help SE if we complain about something thats already been solved? This game cannot be fixed by giving up, it needs to be tested over and over... the people in the game who didn't ditch it want this game to be the best it can so they keep playing so it can continue to improve it, give up to date points of view and know what is happening in the game.

Yeah people can read the updates written, but SE ninja-fixes a lot of stuff in the game without reporting it. That is what the people who do play know, and the people who don't play... well don't know.

Many people seem to want to make this black and white...

--If you stay with the game obviously your happy so why should SE listen to you.

--If you left the game your not happy so they should be pleasing us.

But its not that black and white I am afraid...

--Some left the game because the don't like it.

--Some left the game because they don't like it but hope it will improve so they can come back.

--Some don't like it, or do like it but only log in now again.

--Some like it but know it can improve so they keep playing it to watch it evolve.

--Some like it and don't want to give up on it so they will sick by it and support it.

--Some want to like it and want to play, but can't play at this time for whatever reason.

The list goes on and on, the people who keep playing aren't playing ONLY because they have nothing better to do, or because they are a fanboy/girl, or because they are stupid... its a mix of many many different reasons that can't be bundled up all nice and pretty like many would want to do. It is not simple.

But one thing I do know... to make something... anything work... it must be tested. And if they like the game or not, the people PLAYING the game are testing it and making it better for everyone else who isn't playing but loves, hates, wants to love, want to hate, hopes and wants to see if this game will be better.

The people playing should be appreciated, the people wanting the game to get better should be appreciated, the people who want to play but can't should be appreciated, the people who want something better for this game should be appreciated...

The only people I don't understand are the people who flat out say they hate this game... I don't understand why they stay around, but even with all their hate I think even some of them secretly want this game to improve. That, or they honesty don't have anything better to do.

[AdaraaKatsumi]

The game sucks. Fact.

All you can do is grind by doing leves/behest.
Equips sucks big time. (visual and stats wise - Mages use the same robe from 1 to 50)
NMs are too easy.
No content at all.
Sidequests are pathetic. Even WoW ones are better.
Party play is depressing.

The next patch will be SE's last attempt to save the game. At least to me.
If they *** this up, then i'll just go ahead and uninstall it.

8 f'ing months and still no Delivery box/mail.
Can't kick/invites members that are not next to you.

Yea, great game!

If you are still playing this "unique" game, to me it means one of 3 things:
1- You just started
2- You got nothing better to do
3- You are a SE fanboy

I'd rather have a FFXI-2 than what we have today, cause at least i'd be playing something.

I see the FFXIVSore, errr I mean FFXIVCore trolls have taken over the official forums. At least it gives the forum moderators a reason to keep their jobs.

[AdaraaKatsumi]

I find it interesting that the haters of this game have the most posts and yet still play the game and have not moved on to some other game. Hmmmmmm........

[Levian]

They can't. I edited that post so many times to try and get the tone right I accidentally cutout logging in every once in a blue moon to test things out. Which is the camp I'm in. It's not fun enough to play daily, but I do log in to tinker with the grievances that are in my power to test. At the same time though, I'm not interacting with many people in the game thanks to the sporadic nature of my play regimen.

My point was, going by just the people you interact with in game, a good chunk of people's opinion are cut out. And yes, some things are ninja fixed, but I wasn't referencing small grievances like a glitched patch of the map. I was talking about larger ones such as putting in the market ward search function or the battle system changes...the things that couldn't just be dropped in a tiny unannounced update. Those are the deal breakers for a lot of people, whether they actively play or not.

[Anty]

I find it interesting that the haters of this game have the most posts and yet still play the game and have not moved on to some other game. Hmmmmmm........

if they all would ... well <goodbye> to ffxiv. These people are to be convinced and they need to come back along with many others who purchased the game and left after the first month. They are here because just leaving won't help the game at all, if all these people left then it would be a guaranteed shut down. A game might not need 1 mio + subscribers to be a profit.
But 30.000 isnt enough and if it comes to expansions updates, etc. the stronger the playerbase, the more money there is for new stuff and content...
Calling everyone who complains a hater is most trollish as well, since that doesnt solve anything. And as long people complain they care and they are a target/future customer. Why do you think there is something like customer service?
If every business would be like : if you dont like it, just leave... instead of... what can we do to make you stay...
well that business would surely go to hell.