Thrill of Battle

[Amas]

Am I misinterpreting this or am I reading epic levels of douchery here? Reason like, "not everyone can afford to buy a PC just to play FFXIV on", "lots of younger people who were gifted a PS3 don't own a PC capable". You classify both of those as lazy?

Hell... its a game. People can play a "game" however they want. I personally play on a PC, I'm mostly a PC gamer and will agree that PC is vastly superior, that being said... you sir/ma'am are a dick.

The topic of this thread is around optimal performance in an MMO. Optimal performance precludes the PS3, as between the graphics and input limitations, you are always significantly behind the 8-ball. I would never tank on PS3 or accept a PS3 tank into any progression setting, because I simply don't think it's possible to play at an acceptable level on such a compromised platform.

Maybe I am a dick, but I think your ability to play a "game" however you want ends the moment you inconvenience someone else. Single player games? Fine, do what you want. A game where 3, 7, or 23 other people could suffer due to your platform limitations (especially in a role like tanking or healing, which tend to be less forgiving of error by nature)? Not acceptable.

I always struggle to understand the sense of entitlement people seem to have around their own enjoyment in a multiplayer environment. Those other party members are no less important than you, and if enjoying a game your own way makes their experience less fun, you're the jerk.

[TurboSol]

The topic of this thread is around optimal performance in an MMO.

lol, actually I'm pretty sure the topic of THIS thread was using ToB and whether or not to macro it a commonly used ability...

[whiskeybravo]

blah blah blah

Actually, the thread was about thrill of battle, hence the title, before it derailed into a discussion of macros and hence performance. I totally understand your point that if the tank or healer is lagging due to their system that it can be detrimental to the team, but the same could be said of a someone using and older, slower computer. Or even someone with a slower net connection. So you expect everyone to go out and buy the best of the best so your personal gameplay is not affected? That's not douchey at all, no.

[Zoomie]

The topic of this thread is around optimal performance in an MMO.

No... its not. Please reread it. Thanks!

I would never tank on PS3 or accept a PS3 tank into any progression setting, because I simply don't think it's possible to play at an acceptable level on such a compromised platform.

I can accept this an your opinion and option as far as recruiting tanks goes. I've played in all manner of guilds across the years and can appreciate an extreme min-max setting. While that's not how my FC is managed I can understand your POV. To each their own.

Maybe I am a dick, but I think your ability to play a "game" however you want ends the moment you inconvenience someone else. Single player games? Fine, do what you want. A game where 3, 7, or 23 other people could suffer due to your platform limitations (especially in a role like tanking or healing, which tend to be less forgiving of error by nature)? Not acceptable.

My issue with this is that if you yourself are playing with console players I'm guessing its in Duty Finder groups? Using the Duty Finder basically says "anything goes". SE allows for console players and you're accepting that you may encounter them by using Duty Finder.

I always struggle to understand the sense of entitlement people seem to have around their own enjoyment in a multiplayer environment. Those other party members are no less important than you, and if enjoying a game your own way makes their experience less fun, you're the jerk.

I can also agree with this to an extremely limited extent. Yes there is a limit to "its a game" and people need to be respectful of others and their enjoyment. However that's not what you said in your previous post. You stated that all console player across the board are lazy for doing so and should be playing on a PC. That is simply not true and is a very limited POV as well as the aforementioned "douchery".

Want to recruit PC only players for your FC? Go for it... Do ANYTHING outside your FC and you take the risk of encountering console players which you willingly accept by doing so... so deal with it. Maybe go play an MMO that doesn't support console as you're apparently incapable of dealing with it and are doing nothing but negatively effecting the community if this is how you always conduct yourself.

[Soulburn32]

This is laughable btw, the only thing Mouse and Keyboard has over a gamepad is more slots on the screen at one time and you don't have to tab target.

If it wasn't for the Global Cooldown timers maybe you could say there was some major advantage but if you can't get to your next ability in that amount of time it is your own problem not a problem of using a gamepad.

[Zoomie]

This is laughable btw, the only thing Mouse and Keyboard has over a gamepad is more slots on the screen at one time and you don't have to tab target.

If it wasn't for the Global Cooldown timers maybe you could say there was some major advantage but if you can't get to your next ability in that amount of time it is your own problem not a problem of using a gamepad.

Tab targeting is never a good practice as a PC player and once alliances are out in 2.2 and people are running 24 man progression content having healers tab through 24 players might become a real problem. While its not game breaking is far from equal to the reaction times of PC healer. I'm not arguing against console as a practice, simple stating a counter argument about the downsides.

I would imagine the massive GCD length was probably in put in place, wisely, to allow console play.

[Warrlordd]

Tab targeting is never a good practice as a PC player and once alliances are out in 2.2 and people are running 24 man progression content having healers tab through 24 players might become a real problem. While its not game breaking is far from equal to the reaction times of PC healer. I'm not arguing against console as a practice, simple stating a counter argument about the downsides.

I would imagine the massive GCD length was probably in put in place, wisely, to allow console play.

Healing assignments. Re-sort groups. Be... not bad. Problems solved in a matter of seconds. This time its free! Next time though you'll have to pay me 50 gil... plus tax

[Zoomie]

Healing assignments. Re-sort groups. Be... not bad. Problems solved in a matter of seconds. This time its free! Next time though you'll have to pay me 50 gil... plus tax

You cannot argue that tabing through a group regardless of size is as fast as mouse clicking much less someone keybinding party members. Its simply not true. What happens when everything hits the fan and your healing assignments to to shit? Suddenly you have to heal someone you're not assigned to and have to tab to them. While you're right in that planning can reduce the handicap it is still a handicap.

Sorry, I don't pay for advice that doesn't mean anything.

[Leiron]

Healing assignments. Re-sort groups. Be... not bad. Problems solved in a matter of seconds. This time its free! Next time though you'll have to pay me 50 gil... plus tax

No, no it was not.
Shut up.
Go away.

[Soulburn32]

Thread has been derailed beyond saving lol.

Mouse and Keyboard is better for targeting, but you guys are really over hyping how good it is.

If you have always used M+K it will seem way better than than Gamepad.

If you have always used a gamepad your reactions and targeting will be nearly as good or the same as your average to good K+M user.

A super skilled M+K user will be the best but it still isn't some huge gap between the 2 like some people on here would like to claim.