Thrill of Battle

[whiskeybravo]

I guess using a TV remote is lazy too. Let's all go back to the 50s and ditch remote controls, I need more exercise anyways :P

[Traek]

I guess using a TV remote is lazy too. Let's all go back to the 50s and ditch remote controls, I need more exercise anyways :P

I wouldn't mind FFXIV powered by treadmill. The Thanksgiving/Christmas/NewYears food has been non stop! Time to get back on exercise schedule. x.X

On the actual subject, I enjoy ToB. As people are saying it is a good tac-on skill. Convalescence is the obvious pairing when used as its own cool down. I like to use it when I know a healer is moving or dealing with other problems while I know a big hit is coming. It can be paired with IB pretty well in those cases for a *that tickled* moment. Things like Mountain Buster, Rotoswipe, Hoodswipe, and Death Sentence all come to mind for regular use.

It doesn't have that amazing feel to it, but the nice thing about it is that it is a forgiving CD. For instance, if you know a large hit is coming but you miss time a IB, you can pop it quick and easy before the hit still lands. Or perhaps you miss read a Titan EX rotation, well you'll still easily survive the follow up hits if you pop after the Mountain Buster. It has both "oh crap" button elements, and a "I got dis" elements.

Foresight needs work. /sigh

[Gandora]

On the actual subject, I enjoy ToB. As people are saying it is a good tac-on skill. Convalescence is the obvious pairing when used as its own cool down.

Plus nothing stop you to include said foresight or vengeance in the macro, to increase efficiency depending the situation.

Oh wait guys, we're being lazy again!

[whiskeybravo]

Plus nothing stop you to include said foresight or vengeance in the macro, to increase efficiency depending the situation.

Oh wait guys, we're being lazy again!

I had vengence macro'd with it before 2.1 just because they are all 2 min CD. But with the expanded controller settings I'm finding less need to macro stuff together. Talk about efficiency, it is not efficient to be swapping hotbars in the heat of battle, that was whole purpose of macro'ing them together. Don't be lazy, work harder instead of smarter guys!

[Gandora]

Talk about efficiency, it is not efficient to be swapping hotbars in the heat of battle, that was whole purpose of macro'ing them together. Don't be lazy, work harder instead of smarter guys!

You might be mistaken on this part because I never mentioned swapping hot bars, I agreed that it could be a good idea and worth trying, but thats it.

[Leiron]

Plus nothing stop you to include said foresight or vengeance in the macro, to increase efficiency depending the situation.

Oh wait guys, we're being lazy again!

Actually yes, that is being lazy.
Under no circumstance should you be macroing Vengeance when it is arguably your second most powerful cooldown.
If you're popping ToB, Convalescence, Foresight and Vengeance all at once, would hope you're tanking double dreadnought with 2 stacks each.

[Gandora]

Actually yes, that is being lazy.
Under no circumstance should you be macroing Vengeance when it is arguably your second most powerful cooldown.
If you're popping ToB, Convalescence, Foresight and Vengeance all at once, would hope you're tanking double dreadnought with 2 stacks each.

foresight or vengeance

depending the situation.

Fixed it for you.

Sorry, I was attempting to be sarcastic XD

No problem at all, lol.

[Akirakogami]

i always use this after i use a healing buff. Don't even worry about what it does to your max hp. You gain 1200+ HP from this skill, i wouldn't suggest macroing it to heavy swing.

[Gandora]

You repeat things that I stated before in this thread.

Some abilities are just too weak by themselves another CD is necessary to be used with it liek Blood bath, Featherfoot, Foresight and Convalescence..
Those are abilities which improve once they've been paired up, and situations only really change according to degree, which is something easily measured.
Of course you can avoid the problem entirely by simply not macroing.

Why do you need to repeat things that I posted 1 or 2 page(s) ago? You did it in some of your previous replies as well.

Why are you attempting to shift the argument in such a lackluster manner?
People will complain about the way other people play if they feel it is going to impede them.
This was a direct response to when you stated that no one has the right to call you lazy.
Of course they do if your gameplay is affecting them.
You can't dismiss someone else's opinion, but then feel the need to press yours forward without worry of critique and not risk the same dismissal.

Lackluster? Not my fault if you can't make the difference betwin here (a forum) & the game, where we have approx 1% chance of encountering each others? My gameplay isn't affecting anyone here as we're not in game. I'm sharing ideas and my experiences with things I do, which people are right to criticize if they want, but lots of people don't know how to give constructive criticizism, calling someone lazy over something you did not think of properly isn't constructive, its an act of lazyness on its own.
Also, I am not forcing my opinion on anyone, but I will defend it if the critic isn't constructive.

You can objectively look at the effect of macroing your cooldowns and other abilities.
Comfort is one thing, but efficiency is another.
You typically can't have both simply because the nature of tank cooldowns lend themselves to having to be used separately due to their multiplicative nature.
So slapping Sentinel and Rampart together does afford more survivability, but not muc more than you would think it does.

I am sorry but allow me to say that here you're completely wrong. Confort > efficiency, if you don't feel confortable driving you don't drive because you know that there is a good chance for an accident. The exact same thing apply in game, if you don't feel confortable with a job you cannot be efficient when playing it. The list is long here.
No one is saying that its smart to put Foresight & Vengeance together in one macro, I personaly did not, doesn't mean we shouldn't use macro to combine others things for the sake of confort & efficiency both in one.

Yuo do realize that the post you made, was in response to someone mentioning thrill of battle.
In which you stated you could also include foresight or vengeance.
You then stated afterwards you weren't suggesting using 2 or 3 CD's ina macro, but in this quote above, you did.

You do realise that I also said it can be situational, do you know the meaning of the word situational? I just did a WP with friends because one of them got his wife newly Lv50, BLM to show her how it work, well for something as Irelevant I made a set of macro to pop multiple CDs at once, one of them macroing ToB - Conv & Vengence together, why? because with my friends we know what we are doing, and as I am a WAR there is a chance where I might need all of them at once when I have X mobs on my back. Its the way we played, we finished WP in 15-16 mins, which might not be perfect to you, but which is fine for us since there was a fresh 1st job Lv50 BLM without relic with us.

You see? Situational This macro is only when I do WP with them (which is often out of duty roulette HL), I know what i'll need when i'm with them. I'd not use it anywhere else. For now I just have 2 Lv50 so I can afford it. Does it impair your gameplay at this point? no it doesn't.

Hardly, I was using it as a part of the argument, not that it was the whole of it.
Are you not being stuck on a simple statement as well?

Yep and i'm not afraid to say it, you pointed twice or thrice something I said, twisted it/ignored the (or) and the (situational) in the phrase & used it as an argument, I pointed the absurdity of it the same number of time.

Now you can say whatever you want, you can say that it is stupid to macro 3 CD at once twisting them to make you look like your argument is right (aka putting in my mouth thigs that I did not say: Macro Foresight + Vengeance.)

Macro are very usefull, you might disagree here its fine its your point of view, I am not the only macro user of the forum, nor the game. No one is being lazy by making macros & when its done properly there is an increase in efficiency depending how you play with them.

Playing with a controller is fine too, nothing/no one lazy here, swapping betwin both KB & controller is fine too.

[Leiron]

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Whatever, moving on.

Playing with a controller is fine too, nothing/no one lazy here, swapping betwin both KB & controller is fine too.

I wouldn't say that either.
Using a controller isn't really an indication of lazyness, and it can only truly be hinted based upon someone's set up.
In terms of efficiency I would say that KB+ Mouse is superior to the controller.
Only because of how the two work.
KB+M provides instant reaction for a healer, for everyone else it can be a bit more tricky.