If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

[Axidrain]

I havnt actually made that an argument of mine i just stated the fallacy of players that choose to blame healers for not using swiftcast. So i dont know why you are twisting this further i never made anything my right, if anyone is doing that its you. Ive stated that it is my opinion that swiftcast is not mandatory as a skill to have, which is from personal experience. and idk why you are bringing wow into this i havnt raided there so cant tell you my experiences.

i think we can all agree that having swiftcast serves as a big advantage when raiding high end content. i would say that it is THE mandatory cross skill to have. why gimp yourself? thats a lot of burst healing/raid saving rez potential lost without it.

[Worm]

I havnt actually made that an argument of mine i just stated the fallacy of players that choose to blame healers for not using swiftcast. So i dont know why you are twisting this further i never made anything my right, if anyone is doing that its you. Ive stated that it is my opinion that swiftcast is not mandatory as a skill to have, which is from personal experience. and idk why you are bringing wow into this i havnt raided there so cant tell you my experiences.

WoW is just what I played previously is all.

Anyway go find and replace your previous posts for Swiftcast to be "watching a fight video" and you'll literally have the same thing. It's the same thing, it's as mandatory as knowing the fight. You can make up for the lack of Swiftcast and you can learn a fight after a few wipes, what's the difference? Hypothetical healer doesn't have the ability that could save the tank or bring back up the DPS who screwed, the tank and DPS didn't read a guide and don't know how to do the fight right so the tank isn't rotating cooldowns right and the DPS can't get out of the way of anything. It's the House that Jack didn't build, everyone loses.

Until we have mechanics like a guaranteed kill mechanic in a fight, [insert any cross class skill here] is just not as great as people like to make it out to be. Use it at the "wrong" time, and there is no benefit.

I don't know if you guys realize you're making as sweeping arguments as you actually are or not. Yes it's dumb to tell a group they're failing because they don't have the food buff, but it's just the idea of best practices. If you're doing everything to succeed then you're not the problem. If your heals are letting people die, maybe a swiftcasted heal would have saved them? You guys have to at some level realize you're willfully denying the benefits of a few hours of leveling an alt class, and it's all for some esoteric anti-elitist argument that in the end rings a hollow victory because people who care will get the ability and people who don't care will just parrot your reasoning.

Add to this argument how you have to babysit a carcass, and rezzing in any battle is more of a detriment than it is a benefit.

EDIT: Also the idea that wiping the raid or trying to do it a person down is somehow more superior than throwing out a Swiftcast res is amazing to me. It's such mental gymnastics. I mean the person could hypothetically wait out the rez sickness timer in a relatively safe spot and it still would be more beneficial than just leaving him in the dirt.

[Skotie]

Honestly, its totally understandable for people trying out healing for the first few times. Its sad to see though so many people so adamantly against playing their own main class to it's fullest. As a War, should I not pick up provoke and flash then? Even though it makes my tanking ability go up by 110%?!?!

Because people are acting as if it should be mandatory to have a skill used mostly for when other people screw up. If it's sad to see so many people against this it must be catastrophic to see how many people need a swiftcast res to make it through a boss fight.

[Amyas]

Most times ive downed content people havnt died, if they did even without swiftcast i could manage a raise. Most times due to res the dps check requirements havnt been met either way. At the end if a stupid mistake happened and we cant recover nothing stops us from trying again and mastering the fight.

Many fights I wouldn't *need* to pull enemies off of my fellow pt members either because, hey, they can survive it. If they can't they're scrubs, amirite?

[wildgalax]

i think we can all agree that having swiftcast serves as a big advantage when raiding high end content. i would say that it is THE mandatory cross skill to have. why gimp yourself? thats a lot of burst healing/raid saving rez potential lost without it.

I agree it does, but i feel if i didnt have swiftcast and eye still i would still be able to down all end game content easily, assuming im playing with competent players. I can also tell you theres a lot of players fully i90 and with all cross class skills that still cant down t5. Theres more then players can bring to the table then just their gear and skills, being a team player and having a positive attitude i would rank far above someone having all their cross class skills and gear.

[Amyas]

Because people are acting as if it should be mandatory to have a skill used mostly for when other people screw up. If it's sad to see so many people against this it must be catastrophic to see how many people need a swiftcast res to make it through a boss fight.

As a tank, I've never, ever had a swiftcast raise on myself save the pt from a wipe. It has, however, contributed many times to four man dungeons where a dd would die to either aoe or the healer not paying enough attention to them.
And yet again, swiftcast has many more uses than for rezing.

[Doo]

Because people are acting as if it should be mandatory to have a skill used mostly for when other people screw up. If it's sad to see so many people against this it must be catastrophic to see how many people need a swiftcast res to make it through a boss fight.

It's mandatory because it makes life so much easier for a healer rather than because you need to use it for someone who messed up. Your job as healer is to save lives!

Also someone could die from:

Getting accidentally setup by other players - ie titan plumes.
Healer too slow on heals for whatever reason.

But it's not the reason that matters, it's the healers role to do everything they can to keep the party alive.

[wildgalax]

WoW is just what I played previously is all.

Anyway go find and replace your previous posts for Swiftcast to be "watching a fight video" and you'll literaloses.


I don't know if you guys realize you're making as sweeping arguments as you actually are or not. Yes it's dumb to tell a group they're failing because they don't have the foo

EDIT: Also the idea that wiping the raid or trying to do it a person down is somehow more superior than throwing out a Swiftcast res is amazing to me. It's such mental gymnastics.

Idk why you are bringing "watch a video" now, honestly whats wrong with going to a fight and trying to figure it out yourself without being spoonfed. My friend spent recently all day in titan and ifrit after countless wipes and trying to figure out the fight without guide and he said its not most fun he had in a long time. And idk with this attitude if you wipe you lose you seem to be chasing, like my friend said its part of the journey.

[Jyoeru]

WoW is just what I played previously is all.

Anyway go find and replace your previous posts for Swiftcast to be "watching a fight video" and you'll literally have the same thing. It's the same thing, it's as mandatory as knowing the fight. You can make up for the lack of Swiftcast and you can learn a fight after a few wipes, what's the difference? Hypothetical healer doesn't have the ability that could save the tank or bring back up the DPS who screwed, the tank and DPS didn't read a guide and don't know how to do the fight right so the tank isn't rotating cooldowns right and the DPS can't get out of the way of anything. It's the House that Jack didn't build, everyone loses.


I don't know if you guys realize you're making as sweeping arguments as you actually are or not. Yes it's dumb to tell a group they're failing because they don't have the food buff, but it's just the idea of best practices. If you're doing everything to succeed then you're not the problem. If your heals are letting people die, maybe a swiftcasted heal would have saved them? You guys have to at some level realize you're willfully denying the benefits of a few hours of leveling an alt class, and it's all for some esoteric anti-elitist argument that in the end rings a hollow victory because people who care will get the ability and people who don't care will just parrot your reasoning.

EDIT: Also the idea that wiping the raid or trying to do it a person down is somehow more superior than throwing out a Swiftcast res is amazing to me. It's such mental gymnastics. I mean the person could hypothetically wait out the rez sickness timer in a relatively safe spot and it still would be more beneficial than just leaving him in the dirt.

Maybe a swiftcast heal would have saved them. But then the guy next to him dies, and all the sudden you don't have a swiftcast rez. Seen it happen a lot. My post declares people should get it. I am not denying the benefits. But I am not so naive to treat it like a game changing spell. It isn't. Why? Because there aren't any mechanics in the game that can't be navigated without it. That's why.

And sorry, there aren't many fights where there is a safe spot to wait out for anything. And that 1min you're not doing anything in a safe spot is what kind of benefit? Stay dead. Watch the fight. See what you did wrong. Don't do it again. Won't need a rez. Sorry, but rezzing someone is a complete waste of mana and usually time because that person NEEDS a new Protection, almost surely HAS TO HAVE a stoneskin to survive, and then you have to heal them ASAP or they die again. All that time you're spending on that carcass is time you're not spending healing someone else who might die. That's time you're spending focusing on that one target which could cause you to die due to missing an important mechanic.

Don't get me wrong. I always rez. But, it's such a waste of time and mana, so no, I am not all too eager to get swiftcast. I will do it eventually. Just not in a hurry, and no one has made a compelling argument as to why I should do it now. Feel free and not take me on your runs because I am a "lazy player who can't play my class because I didn't min/max according to the science other people discussed in a forum and blah blah blah." I'm still getting content down. I don't need elitism anymore than I need a spear to the throat.

[Skotie]

As a tank, I've never, ever had a swiftcast raise on myself save the pt from a wipe. It has, however, contributed many times to four man dungeons where a dd would die to either aoe or the healer not paying enough attention to them.
And yet again, swiftcast has many more uses than for rezing.

True, but I can't think of any situations where it can be used outside of a res where it was needed. Assuming everyone is doing thier jobs correctly. It's very useful to have but you can't deny it's mostly used when someone get's one shotted or at least took a huge hit in HP that they could have avoided and didn't. If anything is holding your group back it's that you keep needing to res these guys who constantly get knocked out of the fight, it's a complete waste of the healers mana, which should be primarily be used on unavoidable damage, mostly healing the tank. If your serious about endgame sure it's very helpful, but not needed.