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    Worm's Avatar
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    Pugilist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by wildgalax View Post
    I havnt actually made that an argument of mine i just stated the fallacy of players that choose to blame healers for not using swiftcast. So i dont know why you are twisting this further i never made anything my right, if anyone is doing that its you. Ive stated that it is my opinion that swiftcast is not mandatory as a skill to have, which is from personal experience. and idk why you are bringing wow into this i havnt raided there so cant tell you my experiences.
    WoW is just what I played previously is all.

    Anyway go find and replace your previous posts for Swiftcast to be "watching a fight video" and you'll literally have the same thing. It's the same thing, it's as mandatory as knowing the fight. You can make up for the lack of Swiftcast and you can learn a fight after a few wipes, what's the difference? Hypothetical healer doesn't have the ability that could save the tank or bring back up the DPS who screwed, the tank and DPS didn't read a guide and don't know how to do the fight right so the tank isn't rotating cooldowns right and the DPS can't get out of the way of anything. It's the House that Jack didn't build, everyone loses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jyoeru View Post
    Until we have mechanics like a guaranteed kill mechanic in a fight, [insert any cross class skill here] is just not as great as people like to make it out to be. Use it at the "wrong" time, and there is no benefit.
    I don't know if you guys realize you're making as sweeping arguments as you actually are or not. Yes it's dumb to tell a group they're failing because they don't have the food buff, but it's just the idea of best practices. If you're doing everything to succeed then you're not the problem. If your heals are letting people die, maybe a swiftcasted heal would have saved them? You guys have to at some level realize you're willfully denying the benefits of a few hours of leveling an alt class, and it's all for some esoteric anti-elitist argument that in the end rings a hollow victory because people who care will get the ability and people who don't care will just parrot your reasoning.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jyoeru View Post
    Add to this argument how you have to babysit a carcass, and rezzing in any battle is more of a detriment than it is a benefit.
    EDIT: Also the idea that wiping the raid or trying to do it a person down is somehow more superior than throwing out a Swiftcast res is amazing to me. It's such mental gymnastics. I mean the person could hypothetically wait out the rez sickness timer in a relatively safe spot and it still would be more beneficial than just leaving him in the dirt.
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    Last edited by Worm; 12-30-2013 at 04:05 PM.