If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

[Zakalwe]

Saying a healer should not bother getting Swiftcast because a good party should never need a raise in combat is like saying a Warrior should never bother taking Gladiator to 22 for Provoke (the only threat copy in the game) because a good group should never see a mob peel away from the tank's aggro, and thus need Provoke to be pulled back.

Granted, both skills have uses beyond what people think of being their typical uses, but really.

[wildgalax]

what..

This is nothing about my ego or w/e other garbage your trying to spew a game can be played any way people please. From my experience i didnt really need swiftcast or eye, i had no problem tackling all game content and like i said only got swiftcast for t5. You are also assuming battle res cant be cast without swiftcast, who came up with that? Ive had no problem resing normally, even in t5, the exception may be t4 only. Again this is my opinion and perception from experiences in game, but i guess if i dont agree with your assessment of cross class skills i must not understand anything? Cause that seems childish to me.

[Worm]

This is nothing about my ego

But i agree if you are like helping bads out and know people will die to simple stuff then you should have these cross class skills.

Yeah, okay.

[wildgalax]

Yeah, okay.

Perhaps my definition of 'bads' was a bit vague. People that try to learn to dodge stuff, learn mechanics, ask questions and have a positive attitude for that team hence aernt relying on res/cures for easily avoidable mechanics are not in that category. Rather players that will cry for res/heals, will make same repeatedly made mistakes and that will want a healer that can carry them rather then pull their own weight. I get the feeling a lot of posters here illustrate that definition.

[Worm]

Perhaps my definition of 'bads' was a bit vague. People that try to learn to dodge stuff, learn mechanics, ask questions and have a positive attitude for that team hence aernt relying on res/cures for easily avoidable mechanics are not in that category. Rather players that will cry for res/heals, will make same repeatedly made mistakes and that will want a healer that can carry them rather then pull their own weight. I get the feeling a lot of posters here illustrate that definition.

Well you're the one with Swiftcast first of all. I sort of get your point here but in the end responding with "lol baddies need res" is just unfortunately going to make me think you're an idiot(Sorry). It's a useful ability and characterizing anyone who expects you to have it as some idiot who stands in fire is just as bad as characterizing anyone who doesn't have the ability as a lazy healer, except that healer demonstrably doesn't have swiftcast the DPS in the course of a raid can learn to dodge.

That's sort of where your argument falls flat. Not having that ability is a refusal to improve, I mean that's why you have it after all, right? Healers going into raids without it are just has bad as DPS who go into fights not even having read a guide. It's preemptively disadvantaging yourself, and backing it up with some ridiculous argument about how only losers need battle res simply isn't reasonable. ESPECIALLY when you yourself have the skill.

This would be like me arguing that I don't need to watch a video of a fight since I'll be carried, but then watching a video of that fight. Obviously I can't really believe in that.

EDIT: I really do get where you're coming from now that you've stated it a little more clearly, but you have to understand how the "there's no one way to play the game" arugment applies to crappy DPS that expects you to res them every single time they screw up as well, right?

[wildgalax]

Well you're the one with Swiftcast

No offence but your argument doesnt really have much substance and seems more like "I think everyone needs it, end of story". You are allowed to believe that however when you push other healers into having that skill thats a little disrespectful to how someone chooses to play. Personally i went without it and only got it for my team for t5, and your argument for "self improvement" is a kind of poor attempt to rationalise your argument. First everyone has different goals, and contrary to your statement i found it actually more beneficial to my game to go without it first and see where that gets me, then i can start to integrate more stuff into my game once ive mastered key concepts like timing of heals, aggro and mana management,etc. I felt it worked out well, and thought i could go without swift for last turn, which i probaby could but i decided to go for it since i had time before we were scheduled to go in.

You also assume everyone has to play 1 way, personally i like a challenge and the harder the fight the better, and I really wanted to see where it gets me by just using the skills i have been given from the start. I felt it was a fun adventure, and now im looking forward to more hard fights.

At the end this whole argument has pretty much been if you dont have swiftcast your gimping your team, however if your not bringing 100%, and not using pots/food all the time and saying this stuff then its pretty hypocritical.

[SummonerSenah]

I don't think they NEED to have it, but I don't know why you wouldn't get it since you're able to, either. It's nice to have the utility.

[Skotie]

I don't think they NEED to have it, but I don't know why you wouldn't get it since you're able to, either. It's nice to have the utility.

Right, nice to have but not needed. I mean do you see healers tearing apart DPS for not having every possible cross class skill that could improve dps? No.

Nobody cares until someone screws up then blame the healer because they didn't pick up a cross class skill, because someone "very likely" didn't avoid something every character has ability to do.

[PetiteMalFleur]

Next time the WHM without swiftcast rips hate off a WAR tank and provoke is used to help get the fight back under control they should inform their party how cross class skills shouldn't be necessary if everyone is doing what they should be doing.

[Tagihi]

level up 1 to 26 thm dosen't take that long prolly 1 day.. Swiftcast is not holding back anything it just a good ability.