If you are a WHM without Swiftcast, you are holding back your team at endgame

[wildgalax]

all game content can easily be done without swift cast and eye. Every boss does the same pattern you can easily tell what is coming before it comes its not really hard.

[Skotie]

u can get swiftcast, u cant avoid mistakes :3

It wasn't the mistake of the WHM, he just got blamed for not having swiftcast+res when someone else screwed up. Are we honestly giving crap to people for not having a spell that benefits carrying bad players the most? Sure everyone makes mistakes but it is most often used on the guy who is just going to run right back into something else that kills them and say "O crap lag!".

[Worm]

all game content can easily be done without swift cast and eye. Every boss does the same pattern you can easily tell what is coming before it comes its not really hard.

Honestly what's the point of these replies? "Avoid stuff" is not a reasonable argument for not farming out your other skills. You can probably beat DPS checks without any cross class skills too, but why would you? Why would you knowingly disadvantage yourself?

It wasn't the mistake of the WHM, he just got blamed for not having swiftcast+res when someone else screwed up. Are we honestly giving crap to people for not having a spell that benefits carrying bad players the most? Sure everyone makes mistakes but it is most often used on the guy who is just going to run right back into something else that kills them and say "O crap lag!".

This is just a crazy sentiment to have in a cooperative game. Why do you not want to help people in your raid? Why do you want to hinder your raid?

[wildgalax]

Honestly what's the point of these replies? "Avoid stuff" is not a reasonable argument for not farming out your other skills. You can probably beat DPS checks without any cross class skills too, but why would you. Why would you knowingly disadvantage yourself?


This is just a crazy sentiment to have in a cooperative game. Why do you not want to help people in your raid? Why do you want to hinder your raid?

Because its a pain for some people to farm these skills. And i disagree with your avoid stuff statement, if its a repetitive problem then theres something wrong with the group. In addition if people are talking about holding back group because you couldve done something more then the same goes for if you are not carrying/using food and potions your doing the same thing. But i agree if you are like helping bads out and know people will die to simple stuff then you should have these cross class skills.

[Skotie]

This is just a crazy sentiment to have in a cooperative game. Why do you not want to help people in your raid? Why do you want to hinder your raid?

Why do a few people need to work harder than others to carry the people who are always screwing up in the first place. Yeah I like lots of people and how good they are at games doesn't effect how I think about them(outside of games anyways). But come on man how many games are you going to win when you keep picking all the fat kids for your team?

[Purrfectstorm]

Why is this even a discussion? If Swiftcast is useful a non-zero amount of the time, then it's better to have it than not. If you play your character in any substantial amount of endgame activities, why haven't you bothered to get it? Plus you will actually enjoy playing your character that much more. For the love of god, why would you defend the decision to not have one of your skills? I have lost fights by the narrowest margin. Why would you not strive to have every edge available to you? Yes, you are holding your team back if you don't have it. Although, to be fair, people who can't stay out of aoes are holding their team back too. Now stop trying to defend a terrible decision and use the time you're spending on doing so grinding THM to 26 and getting Swiftcast! LOL

[Roaminggnome]

From my guess there are cross class skills some see as mandatory for each job to have. Well then they should have just made those skills part of the job. It's an illusion of choice if everybody see's a spell or skill as mandatory. The min max attitude has a tendency to bite a company in the butt when they come up with some new character creation mechanic they think gives people options when in the end we players turn it on its head requiring a specific character formula.

[SilverRhythm]

If I'm casting raise YOU are doing it wrong. you show me a fight with a guaranteed 1 shot to someone (every time) and I'll agree with you though.

I agree with this lol. We as the DPS or Tanker should also be well aware of our surroundings and prevent ourself from getting hurt the best as possible because it will help relief some burden for the healer to focus healing on tanks.

But i do admit, Swiftcast is a very very important skill that all WHM should have, especially for Raise. I always admire healers who are able to time that Swiftcast Raise once a man is down to at least keep hopes of winning the challenge.

However, Swiftcast Raise does not exactly change the outcome of the endgame much, especially with the weakness penalty applied, it might actually cause more stress to the whole team to keep the weakened guy topped up or on highest priority for heal.

[Worm]

In addition if people are talking about holding back group because you couldve done something more then the same goes for if you are not carrying/using food and potions your doing the same thing.

Yes of course consumables count, why would you not use these? Why would you not want a cross class skill that makes you better at your job (let's pretend you never put out battle res or heals on to people who get hit by avoidable damage because you hold them to the standards of your own self-delusion of perfection), why wouldn't you want to do your best? I mean I guess I could understand if you're in a whole guild where no one bothers with anything and really doesn't care if they wipe, but if you want to kill the boss, sure yeah of course, you bring someone back up. You do what it takes to get it done, you don't obsess over baby talk like "baddies" you leave your ego at the door and you accomplish the objective. It is simple, it is beautiful, and it is pure. It's too bad you can't understand that or think it's "trolling" to pretend you're unable to understand it.

However, Swiftcast Raise does not exactly change the outcome of the endgame much, especially with the weakness penalty applied, it might actually cause more stress to the whole team to keep the weakened guy topped up or on highest priority for heal.

Having to heal up that guy is probably less stressful than wiping at 1% ... probably.

[Purrfectstorm]

From my guess there are cross class skills some see as mandatory for each job to have. Well then they should have just made those skills part of the job. It's an illusion of choice if everybody see's a spell or skill as mandatory. The min max attitude has a tendency to bite a company in the butt when they come up with some new character creation mechanic they think gives people options when in the end we players turn it on its head requiring a specific character formula.

Of COURSE it's an illusion of choice! You get 5 cross class abilities out of 7 and Ruin and Physick are useless. There SHOULD be more choices but there aren't and until there are then you should have Swiftcast. Not having access to all your available skills is gimp and over time even being gimp in a small way will set you back (and not having Swiftcast is more than a small handicap). This is not to say that you can't win X fight without Y skill only that it is not optimal to try to do so.