Why is "Duty Roulette" a solo feature?

[Worm]

I think he might want the weapon for the upcoming vanity system.

[EveAlexandra]

And the wep is worthless, GC weps of the same level have better stats esp in combination with other gc gear.

Vanity reasons most probably, I've run vigil about a dozen times trying to get the sword too.

[FMElan]

Sure I explain fights. Like I said though, I can't force people to dodge aoe, and no matter how much I say 'Move back, patrol inc. Aevis inc. MOVE PLEASE!' people still stand there and aggro patrols while fighting sprites, causing a wipe. For the fourth time. Even better is when I tried to go in as a drg to level it and got a crappy pld that would use all his defensive cooldowns as he pulled and ignore people when they'd say 'you should save your cds when your in the fight' and never, ever say a word.

That's just odd. The closest I've ever come to timing out on the final boss of SV was when I joined an in-progress party that only had ten minutes left. And we still managed to get through and beat the final boss within the last minute. x_x

And the wep is worthless, GC weps of the same level have better stats esp in combination with other gc gear.

It's worthless to you, not to me. Stats aren't everything to everyone.

[Skotie]

It's to counter people like you and your friends. When you queue as you do with your friends, you remove potential participants from normal DF queues. Get some people needing Sastasha together, but no tanks are queuing because they only go in as a group? That is what it's for. To get people OUT of the premades at least a little, to help populate DF groups. Because we know many of these people, not all, but many wouldn't do it without some sort of incentive.You queuing in a roulette as a group of 2-4 doesn't help these people at all.

Shouldn't the counter to everyone grouping up together so you have no one to do dungeons with be, I don't know, go out and make some cool helpful friends and be such yourself? You are playing an online game where everything is not able to be done solo. I thought duty roulette was designed to break up the tedium of rerunning the same dungeons over and over for tomes.

[Alhanelem]

It's a solo feature because the purpose of the roulette is to fill slots in forming dungeon parties. If you could premake a party and get the same bonuses intended for people trying to help out, it defeats the whole purpose of the roulette- to help those in need.

[Scarletyoshi]

Yeah, the duty roulette is like a "Single riders" line at an amusement park. The point is to fill empty seats. You can get on the ride faster, you just cant ride with your friends.

[zakalw3]

I was talking to anyone else who shared the opinion, not to you specifically.
And still, you're now clearly naive.
I lose something, without Duty Roulette: bonus prizes and much faster allagan cap.
That may sound not important, but make some people PREFER to queue alone than with a group of friends.

However, if SE told in an official statement that they cherish solo gaming more, I will get along with it. That's what I was asking, other than opinions.
Did they?

Two things:

1. The longest waiting times are always for that last player: healer or tank. Therefore solo queuing for DF remedies the biggest problem people had with DF.

2. You're not being punished, people who decide to lend a hand to those who need their help are being rewarded.

[amnie]

Thanks a lot.
And I think that answer indirectly to my question: they did not care for solo or group, they just COULDN'T put the feature for pre-formed group yet (even if I don't really get why, but nevermind).
So that goes for every of anyone else's statement and means that this was not to "counter" anything or anyone, but just accidental.

eh. still not sure what this has to do with an official statement.

a) it's CLEARY so more people get more pops
b) it's not changing opinions on WHY it's better to not allow groups to queue, just because SE plans to make it possible. I will still favour them not making it possible (though to be fair in the end I don't really care because if someone really can't be bothered to make at least a handful of friends to do dungeons with, maybe MMOs aren't their games)

I know people say its so those low-level dungeons can get tanks/healers, but as a tank I don't even bother with low-level DR, the rewards aren't enough. Only 10 myth? At least make it thirty so it'll be on par with WP/AK. Haven't even tried it, too much risk getting in a group in SV that times out on the last boss because issues or w/e and 0 reward.

1) you are thankfully not the only person playing a tank
2) you don't get any bonus myth for tanking. that's the bonus for using the duty roulette to begin with. the 'in demand class' bonus is EXP and Gil.



well, on the topic of Stone Vigil itself... I'd be a liar if I claimed I've never had any bad runs, but it's not nearly as bad as people make it. I've actually even been 'brave' once and queued for in progress for SV on my whm. got into a group that was at the last boss. the group was super thankful that I popped in because there were only roughly 10 min left on the timer (they were waiting because they didn't know you don't get the timer if someone already left) and then I also found out that the healer ragequit, while apparently being the problem to begin with. we killed the last boss first try and I made people happy. good times. (I've also had a group who did the first boss first try failing on the second boss, though, which still baffles me weeks later. lol)

[Taekrys]

eh. still not sure what this has to do with an official statement.

When whoever is in charge, work on the game or is authorized to give information from SE itself makes a statement, that statement is official.
Or at least it is what I consider official.

Yeah, the duty roulette is like a "Single riders" line at an amusement park. The point is to fill empty seats. You can get on the ride faster, you just cant ride with your friends.

It's a solo feature because the purpose of the roulette is to fill slots in forming dungeon parties. If you could premake a party and get the same bonuses intended for people trying to help out, it defeats the whole purpose of the roulette- to help those in need.

No and no.
SE declared: "We’ll be improving the Duty Finder extensively for 2.1, but I’m afraid the ability to participate in parties will take until 2.2."
So SE did not take a position in these matter. Duty Roulette was MEANT for parties too, they just didn't implemented it yet.
Those are the reasons you hoped for, not the real reasons.

b) it's not changing opinions on WHY it's better to not allow groups to queue

It doesn't, alright.
But again, I was asking why it *was* this way, not why it *would be better staying* this way.
The answer to my question is: "It wasn't intended, just wait till 2.2 for party being able to join."
And to be clear, that's not even close to be a satisfying answer, since 2.2 could take even 6 months to see the light and that may already be too late.

Then we could do as you implicitly suggest, and like you do I could also talk about how I would prefer things done in different way they are now (or staying like they are before they will change, in this case).
There are only two problems in that:
1) The discussion would be endless (classes? levequest? crafting? housing?).
2) No one could care less about my opinion, since as the answers I received suggest, almost no one here has any simpathy for me.

Hence, since I just had a doubt and that doubt was clarified, I'm outta here.
Feel free however to use my thread to discuss your theories, I don't mind.

See ya. And thanks again, Lacerta.

[FMElan]

SE declared: "We’ll be improving the Duty Finder extensively for 2.1, but I’m afraid the ability to participate in parties will take until 2.2."
So SE did not take a position in these matter. Duty Roulette was MEANT for parties too, they just didn't implemented it yet.
Those are the reasons you hoped for, not the real reasons.

No, it isn't meant for parties. Duty Roulette is meant to help people fill up a few slots(especially those in-demand ones, hence the bonus on them). SE never said you'll be able to participate in a party, their stance has always been that, in the future, they'll look into letting you participate in groups of 2, or possibly 3. It would take zero time to implement the ability to run in a full party, they just don't want you to do that.