Petition: Add A Support Role To The Game.

[Duelle]

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/119...s-with-Yoshida

It appears that they will be adding a new role, the "Hybrid Role"! Very good news, excited to see how it turns out.

I've called this a mistranslation, since the sentence in question starts with もし and finished with したら, which is a very long way of saying "if". He says that right now comps are 2 tanks, 2 heals and 4 DPS, but IF they were to add a hybrid role comps would be 2 of each.

Unless these hybrid classes vastly outnumber tanks heals AND DPS, what that would lead to is a huge clusterf*** by making groups take longer to get together. DF would suffer the most because at present you can at least fill DPS spots with DRG, MNK, BLM, SMN and BRD. Limiting a full party run's DPS spots to two means three of those jobs get screwed out of content.

[Dale]

There is absolutely no good reason at all not to have a support class in this game. And none of the arguments I have read in this thread as to why there shouldn't be have been convincing in the least. So add my name to the petition.

This whole tank/heal/dps thing is dull anyway. MMORPGs should be adding NEW roles, not limiting them further. This genre needs to stop going backwards.

[MartaDemireux]

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Ah, well even if it is a mistranslation, this shows they're at least considering the implementation!

If they allow the team to fill with 4 DPS or 2DPS/2Hybrid (2DPS or 1DPS/1Hybrid for 4man) like I suggested originally this will be no issue. Combine this with the new search features they've added and I see no issues whatsoever in the time it takes to group up.

Edit: And due to them going with the term Hybrid it makes it more clear to what I intended. DPS that can also support.

[Duelle]

Edit: And due to them going with the term Hybrid it makes it more clear to what I intended. DPS that can also support.

Those should be added to their respective rosters. Assuming you had PLD, WAR, SAM as the "pure" tanks, with BST and MST (Mystic Knight) as the "hybrid" tanks, they should still all fall under the tank roster.

If DRG, MNK, BLM and SMN were the "pure" DPS, with RDM, TIM (Time Mage), and NIN were the "hybrid" DPS they should all fall under the DPS label. Reserving spots only for the hybrids is going to mess things up and the pures will feel left out and experience even longer wait times for parties.

Granted, the notion of a hybrid also has a high risk of alienating people from FC groups, and has earned scorn from the "pures" in the past. There is simply too much to lose and too little to gain.

There is absolutely no good reason at all not to have a support class in this game. And none of the arguments I have read in this thread as to why there shouldn't be have been convincing in the least. So add my name to the petition.

This whole tank/heal/dps thing is dull anyway. MMORPGs should be adding NEW roles, not limiting them further. This genre needs to stop going backwards.

It's been tried and it has failed before. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is a sign of insanity.

[alhandra]

the game would have to be fully redesigned again to get what the OP truly wants out of a support class. im afraid for ffxiv support is just something that will be added to the base roles already in the game.

[Pinworms]

No I don't support this. It will make the DF harder to fill people. Also there is only 1 class ATM that could even be considered "support", and it's a DD class. If it goes to "support" then it's DD needs to be nerfed again. Do you really want bards damage nerfed again?

[EdwinLi]

im afraid for ffxiv support is just something that will be added to the base roles already in the game.

Ya they already started this with Bard.

Bard is DD with all its DD skills coming from Archer Class base skills you get from leveling the Base Class Archer but the skills it gets from its Job soulstone are support skills except for Rain of Death.

A Support Class is unlikely due to how Base Classes are one of the 3 trinity but any Support type Jobs is added into the game will have to start out as a basic trinity class that are either Tank, Healer, or DD and then they get Support skills once they become a certain Job while still maintaining their Role position in the Trinity system because their role function will come from their base class while support skills come from their Job soulstone.

[MartaDemireux]

the game would have to be fully redesigned again to get what the OP truly wants out of a support class. im afraid for ffxiv support is just something that will be added to the base roles already in the game.

I do not feel the game would have to be completely redesigned. I do not want support as its own role, I want to make sure any DF party has access to all 3 LBs (possibly 4 if a special support/hybrid LB is created for support/hybrid roles). The absolutely only thing I'm essentially calling for is a change to how the duty finder works with filling roles.

No I don't support this. It will make the DF harder to fill people. Also there is only 1 class ATM that could even be considered "support", and it's a DD class. If it goes to "support" then it's DD needs to be nerfed again. Do you really want bards damage nerfed again?

Please read the OP as that is not what I am bringing attention to in the slightest. I'm suggesting DPS classes that do not have a DPS LB to only be allowed to fill 1 slot in the party. They do not have a DPS LB because they are a hybrid. Hybrid is a more accurate representation. With my suggestion the DF would fill either no differently or easier/faster due to being able to be filled with [Tank Healer DPS DPS] or [Tank Healer DPS BRD]. BRD is already the prime example of support/hybrid as I am not asking for a pure support role. Their DPS wouldn't be lowered at all, parties would just be limited to getting 1 in a 4-man or up to 2 in an 8-man using DF.

To clarify I want parties to fill the following ways (they'd fill according to whichever roles are available first):

DPS: Damage dealer (BLM, MNK, DRG, SMN)
HLR: Healer (SCH, WHM)
TNK: Tank (PLD, WAR)
HYB/SPR: Hybrid/Support (BRD)

4-Man Duty Finder:
1) TNK, HLR, DPS, DPS
2) TNK, HLR, DPS, HYB/SPR

8-Man Duty Finder:
1) TNK, TNK, HLR, HLR, DPS, DPS, DPS, DPS
2) TNK, TNK, HLR, HLR, DPS, DPS, DPS, HYB/SPR
3) TNK, TNK, HLR, HLR, DPS, DPS, HYB/SPR, HYB/SPR

HYB/SPR are simply just DPS without the DPS LB and offer various benefits. Like BRD and their songs/healer LB.

[Mohamed]

Unfortunately, since there is just so MANY BRDs at the moment, this proposed fix would solve one issue at the cost of another. Yes, with this system a party can only have 1 BRD, but also, with this system, all the BRDs out there would have a longer queue time because they would only be competing for one spot, instead of two spots... whereas pure dps have two potential spots to be able to join in for as if a second pure DPS queued up for the last DPS spot, then a BRD queued up, it would take the second pure DPS in favor of the BRD as it is a first come first serve basis.

The only option would be to prevent a second PURE dps for joining a party already filled with a pure DPS... so that if a BRD queues up, it would take the BRD over the pure DPS and then you would have that balance you seek.

[MartaDemireux]

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I don't really think that the number of BRDs outweighs the combined sum of 4 other DPS jobs but you do pose a valid concern. Instead of preventing another DPS from joining I've instead given a team-based priority suggestion:

4-Man:
1) TNK, HLR, DPS, HYB/SPR
2) TNK, HLR, DPS, DPS

8-Man:
1) TNK, TNK, HLR, HLR, DPS, DPS, HYB/SPR, HYB/SPR
2) TNK, TNK, HLR, HLR, DPS, DPS, DPS, HYB/SPR
3) TNK, TNK, HLR, HLR, DPS, DPS, DPS, DPS
4) TNK, TNK, HLR, HLR, DPS, HYB/SPR, HYB/SPR, HYB/SPR

This way a party is always prioritized to have a HYB/SPR but if one isn't available it would go to the next available DPS. For 8 mans I've included the possibility that there would be more HYB/SPR players LFP than DPS players so that a team could still be formed.