Petition: Add A Support Role To The Game.

[Phai]

I dont , im totally new to FF14. My past mmorpg experienced have always told me if you help improve the group - you are support. I am still learning, I have no idea what Yoshi considers anything. Im sure its just not one man pulling the strings tho.

Oh i see.

Well Yoshi said that he did not want Brd to be a support role. But after game have been out for a while he said that Brd was given to many pices for the Puzzles, so making them strong in a way that they where wanted.

Now after 2.1 he removed a Nice utlility, and lowerd Brd's Boost damage a bit. so atm its a usefull class for progressing grps, but after that its realy weak class compared to others (talikng endgame like coil)

I agree that Brd has always been a support class, but they did not manage to make a game that have room for a support class, what future brings, thats another matter

[KHShadowrunner]

Ummm this thread is really useless don't you think since Yoshi said "We want to have two of each job type in a raid in future content" when we only have three. Soooo isn't making a petition to add a support role pointless?

I always assumed he meant:
2 Tank
2 Healer
2 Melee
2 Ranged

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[Duelle]

but there's a difference between asking for a duty finder rebuilt and a supporter class added. a support class essentially still works as a DPS (or they can technically do all, like the Captain in LOTRO. which I mentioned on the first page)

There's a difference between DPS with utility (LoTRO's Captain, WoW's enhance Shaman and Lineage II's Blade Dancer fall under this label) and "support" (FFXI's Bard and RDM *ugh*, vanilla WoW's paladin and Lineage II's Prophet).

I also personally didn't say anything about redefining Bard (though I do think they need a different Limit Break)

I'm still betting dollars to donuts that BRD's LB will change when Musketeer is implemented, because with more than one physical ranged class you need to give them their own LB.

[EdwinLi]

Oh i see.

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But what they have created are the Basic trinity class with Support skills from their Jobs

Can you imagine the possibilities of a Tank and Healer that functions like a Bard.

A Tank that not only get a enmity increase stance from its Job stone to function as a Tank but also given Support skills that not only helps provide a buff to the tank it self but also to the entire group such as a group wide damage reduction buff that remains until the Tank deactivates it or they run out of MP to maintain it like a Bard Song

or

a Healer that is given a Healing Support skill that provides constent HP regen or increase the Healing potency to the entire group until they deactivate the skill or run out of TP (seem to be a better ideal to use TP instead of MP for Jobs that use MP as their main energy source) to maintain it like a Bard song.

All of this while still maintaining their role as a Tank, Healer, or DD because of their Class skills which is what Bard does. Maintining its DD role through Archer Class skills while given Support skills through Job skills.

[Dale]

It's been tried and it has failed before. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is a sign of insanity.

And I just completely disagree with you. I have enjoyed playing support classes on all sorts of games, and it didn't fail at all.

Games are about having fun. So if you are having fun playing a support class, then it's not a failure. Not everyone looks at games as a race to see who can do the most damage, and we are not all part of this min/max crowd. That doesn't make us insane.

[Naberrie]

Yoshi has referred to us, in the future, getting hybrid jobs. The idea is that in a full party, you will have 2 of each job type: 2 tanks, 2 healers, 2 DPS and 2 of this hybrid role. Most likely it will be a support type.

Personally I could see the following as support: THF with Trick Attack, doing damage bursts from behind tanks to spike hate; RDM that does AOE enfeebles; BST that can tame trash mobs and turn them on other mobs, using their own skills against them, including mobs that buff, giving group buffs to the party.

Unlike unlocking jobs in the current system, it wouldn't surprise me if unlocking hybrid jobs required level 50 in one job and level 30 in another.

[Duelle]

And I just completely disagree with you. I have enjoyed playing support classes on all sorts of games, and it didn't fail at all.

Games are about having fun. So if you are having fun playing a support class, then it's not a failure. Not everyone looks at games as a race to see who can do the most damage, and we are not all part of this min/max crowd. That doesn't make us insane.

You're being short-sighted. The division of players between roles gets more difficult to manage the moment you step away form the trinity, which is why any game with a fourth role has suffered notable inconveniences (and that's putting it lightly).

Whether you enjoyed standing in the back and doing nothing tangible during combat is moot, because the moment "support" holds the other three roles hostage due to being less populated proves that breaking from the trinity fails (and don't try to deny it, because support has almost ALWAYS been less populated than tank, heals or DPS). Your personal fun doesn't matter in that context because it is bad for the game on a wide scale to make parties more difficult to put together and to have people fighting over the few players willing to play "support". That's what gave rise to princess bards and princess red mages in FFXI.

The fact that you've seen this and yet choose to still ask for it means you either don't care about the health of the game and good party dynamics, or simply refuse to learn from the past. And if you somehow expect it to turn out differently because this game is called FFXIV, then yes, that does make you insane because you're doing something that has been done before with known results yet expect it to turn out differently.

[EdwinLi]

Unlike unlocking jobs in the current system, it wouldn't surprise me if unlocking hybrid jobs required level 50 in one job and level 30 in another.

I bet to use the Gunblade Job you will need a lvl 30 Musketeer and a lvl 50 Gladiator.