Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Peptaru]

Sounds like the old list, with old jewerly and the old +1 for accuracy.

[Wootzor3000]

Oh well I like the new list better i guess, only cause the myth helm is part of it. that helm is just so ill and has the dragoon lookk.

[Sylari]

Without even looking at what stats you're getting, not having the allagan spear as bis is wrong.

As mentioned countless times in this thread as long as you're using the i95 spear, not going too far over the acc cap, and are wearing full i90, the difference of dps between all the sets is <10dps at most.

How long would fully slotted i70 crafteds like gryphonskin or ear screws last?

[Migosha]

How long would fully slotted i70 crafteds like gryphonskin or ear screws last?

I would think that iLvl 90 replace it, not totally sure for iLvl80 from CT. For armors it's without a doubt as crafted items will lack defense / magic defense and vitality, for jewelry it may be a bit different. But that's pretty easy to set, can you post the total differents stats of lets say your gryphonskin bracers with the materias meld in it? (Meaning str, det, acc, crit, SS) the maths will do the rest

[PArcher]

Personally, I would try to replace properly penta-melded crafted i70 last (as far as replacing i70 goes). But if you happen to get an i90 for that slot, the i90 is better. i80 is debatable, for a good penta-meld, so that would be a judgement call.

[snowybell]

BTW,

What accuracy should i be at turn 5?
I have 479 now, but if switch to the wyrm pants, i think i have about 465.

[etl003]

please correct me if i'm wrong, but i was shooting for 482-485 for turn 5

[Ayvar]

Urgh... So much to read. I wish someone would cliff it for me (the essential news) but I'd have to get off my lazy butt and read I suppose lol

I'll be editing the main post soon enough to reflect the changes, but being the Christmas holidays and all I'll probably do it in chunks.

Wouldn't those BiS lists that you know for a fact were already posted confirm or deny this? Not really sure what more you want if multiple people "confirmed" BiS stuff by posting said lists.

I have some questions regarding all of the BiS posts that I will bring up below.

BTW,

What accuracy should i be at turn 5?
I have 479 now, but if switch to the wyrm pants, i think i have about 465.

The problem is I have seen no hard evidence confirming the ~480 accuracy cap, which is odd considering how often it is thrown around. I posted my own Turn 5 evidence many pages back that showed zero misses over an hour and a half at 473 accuracy. Since then I've done hours and hours of Turn 5 at 473 accuracy and continue to have zero misses, so I refuse to use any BiS list that uses anything around a 480 accuracy cap. If someone posts something to back it up then I will reassess, but for now I've only got my own numbers to go by.

So before I update the BiS links in the main post I want to see a BiS list that uses 472-473 as the cap (which was the cap used for the two original lists in the OP), with comparisons of +2% accuracy food such as deviled eggs (so ~465 accuracy to hit the cap), to a list using buttons or similar hitting the accuracy cap using gear alone. Hopefully for pre and post Turn 5. I'll do it myself in a couple days if I don't see anything posted by then.

Either way, getting a definitive BiS list isn't something that must be done NOW. Any dps differences between lists will be so minor as to be effectively pointless. However, I do want to have an accurate BiS list within a week or so for the number hogs among us.

EDIT: my god I have to rewrite everything, the damage buffs have balls'd up all the numbers

[Valus]

So now that Jump's timing is off with PS (thanks Obama), do you guys wait for PS to refresh before Jumping again, or do you Jump immediately then wait for Jump to refresh again to PS > Jump? OR do you just PS > SSD if SSD is up?

Personally I just Jump again and let PS sit there until Jump is ready again, but I feel like I might be losing DPS having it sit there for so long ready to use. Having Jump sit there sounds even worse to me, though.

What do you guys do?

[Ayvar]

So now that Jump's timing is off with PS (thanks Obama), do you guys wait for PS to refresh before Jumping again, or do you Jump immediately then wait for Jump to refresh again to PS > Jump? OR do you just PS > SSD if SSD is up?

Personally I just Jump again and let PS sit there until Jump is ready again, but I feel like I might be losing DPS having it sit there for so long ready to use. Having Jump sit there sounds even worse to me, though.

What do you guys do?

Isn't too hard to figure out. If you wait you do 300 potency every 60s (PS+Jump every 60s for 300 potency). Otherwise you do 500 potency every 80s (300 to start, wait 40s then Jump again, then wait 40s and start over). These timers cross at 240s (so 4 rounds with a 60s timer, 3 rounds with an 80s timer), giving you 4*300=1200 potency if you wait, 3*500=1500 potency if you don't, after 240s of course, then it all starts again.

You can get finicky on fights that last less than 4mins if you want. For example depending on exact fight duration it can be slightly better to wait or do them together, but as a broad rule of thumb use everything as soon as it comes off cooldown and don't bother going out of your way to sync cooldowns.