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    I wish I could say it's a cookiecutter mmorpg, but right now you can't even call it a mmorpg. It's a skeleton frame for a mmorpg. It needs meat and fat. Right now it has potential to become anything. It could become "unique" or it could become a wow-clone with nicer graphics or ...

    All the steps they're taking now and want to take are towards WoW clone btw. Not that I think it's a bad thing in theory. Just that their implementation right now is way worse.
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    FFXI is indeed a good example, I've only played Lotro and Aion outside of XI and XIV, but XI was very original, it didn't suck like XIV does at the moment. As Shyd said you really felt YOU were the adventurer and every zone was a new experience to enjoy, whereas in Lotro for example it was just about going to the next hub to spamm quests and level.

    FFXIV is so boring that every 20min I find myself wondering if there's nothing more fun I could do instead of playing it. Not very immersive now is it? Hopefully the dev team will change that, all we can do is wait and see, but saying FFXIV is fine right now is fucking bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KumaAkuma View Post
    It's a skeleton frame for a mmorpg. It needs meat and fat.
    Assemble the dwarves at once! We're going...


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  4. #54
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    Regardless of what we want this game to be, it's obvious that it's not working the way it is.

    I understand the nostalgiac feelings most have for what an inspiring game FFXI was. I, too, believe that FFXI was great. However, FFXI was, in essence, a giant time-sync, and it does not have any place in today's market for MMOs. When the game came out, it was the cream of the crop, but that was ten years ago. FFXI was out when the PS2 was still a new system. For all of its wonders, FFXI has many flaws.

    The "party content" (not including end-game content) consisted of mainly mindless grinding, which is hardly any different from the system many complain about in XIV. And for most jobs, that was the only way you could progress. On top of that, the party system in FFXI (until it went under quite a few changes over its long span of existence) required a giant community of active players. Come on, don't tell me you guys didn't sit in Jeuno or Whitegate for hours looking for parties after 2005. I was just in the game a month or two ago, and as you can imagine, it's even worse now.

    MMOs have evolved a great deal since the debut of FFXI. I do believe XIV needs more party-involved content, however, I would not like to sit for hours and hours and hours, killing crabs in Valkurm Dunes again. If you found that fun, go play MapleStory, as I hear the weather is nice this time of the year.

    It would be great to see some dungeon content with bosses and an active storyline. Take for example, the large, expansive instances World of Warcraft had when it first came out, like Mauradon and the original Sunken Temple, that took hours (sometimes an entire day) to complete. No one wants the sort of: "Here's your free cookie" game that some MMOs have become today, but XIV cannot afford to go back to old conventions.
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    SE should copy stuff from there last MMO and tweek it. every one wants everything from WOW like instance dungeons we already might get queueed pvp cross server.

    All the people that are left like it, the other half a million who left, did not, so SE lost a lot by being too unique and having nothing!
    thing is people were expecting FFXI-2, but we got nothing at all just a broke empty game. now all that nothing is getting changed in to what they hope to be something, but may end up a clone of another game with a FF name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldaena View Post
    I feel happier in FFXIV than I have in any other MMO I've tried. I want it to continue to be something unique, interesting, creative, and fun. I like that it is and does feel different, and I don't want it to lose that magic. I know we all feel a bit anemic for content, but I'm confident it is coming. I'm trying to be optimistic and hopeful that it will be way better than many people think it will be. And do it without resorting to being like every other MMO on the market.
    Wouldnt it have to start being unique,interesting, creative and fun to continue to be thoes things? O.o;
    The content to me isnt as much the problem as the basic fundamental gameplay aspects that they got completely wrong.
    I think that SE knows this as well, which is why fixes, tweaks, adjustments, reform w/e else you wanna call it is supposedly more important to implament 1st rather then adding content to the game.
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    Alastor i can honestly say in 4+ years playing XI i never had any problem whats so ever finding a party i always made my exp partys and that is no jack ass bs lie, sorry

    The search and party systems worked very well and if you were'nt looking for the "traditional set up" tank ddx2 blm rdm whm, which most were'nt the game allowed alot of variety tp burn parties mp burn ect ect you should have never sat for hours.
    Unless you were the type to just put seek flag up and afk, if you were active and gave a little bit of effort getting/finding/making a exp party was extremely easy, I'm sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shikyo View Post
    Alastor i can honestly say in 4+ years playing XI i never had any problem whats so ever finding a party i always made my exp partys and that is no jack ass bs lie, sorry

    The search and party systems worked very well and if you were'nt looking for the "traditional set up" tank ddx2 blm rdm whm, which most were'nt the game allowed alot of variety tp burn parties mp burn ect ect you should have never sat for hours.
    Unless you were the type to just put seek flag up and afk, if you were active and gave a little bit of effort getting/finding/making a exp party was extremely easy, I'm sorry.
    For you, my friend, it may have been easy, but I am not the only one to attest to the hours of sitting, waiting to play. Perhaps if you played a more desirable job you may have not had these issues, but whenever I played THF or MNK, I sat for a very long time.

    Forgive me, but I played FFXI from 2004-2010, in which, I took a few months of leave. I was very active in the community on Sylph for a long time. You do not need to apologize to me for having what seems to be the greatest luck of any player I've ever encountered. When I started the game, I had many, many friends who played, and did not ever have a hard time finding a party. Even in the last few months of play, I was in a still-active linkshell (now on Titan) and we grouped together all of the time.

    Regardless of both of our experiences, the same cannot be said for everyone else. I know many, many people who were turned off to the game because of the difficulties of finding a party. The learning curve on XI was pretty high for the average gamer. Not everyone has the resources or the time to waste in front of their computer.
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    I don't want them to make FFXIV a typical MMO, but that's what they are doing atm. Instead of fixing flaws in those unique features, they remove them completely and replace them with cookiecutter ones - the more they do it, the more of a cookiecutter FFXIV becomes and the less chances they have to see me stay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gundammeister View Post
    That's a good point Shyd. I doubt SE will drop a FF with a number. I have never, in my entire gaming life, seen a company react as quickly, and in the way, that SE did a month after launch, when they sent out those letters and replaced the staff. It was only because of this that I kept an eye on the game and eventually came back after I saw the improvements being made (these forums for one).

    On a slight tangent, let me ask you this: I'm a big Final Fantasy fan. I love everything FF, including the movie, BUT because of mere timing and RL, I never played FFXI. I always read positive things about it, but since playing this game, I constantly hear references to FFXI with the fondest of memories; from my LS as well as these forums. Was it really that good? Or is it just nostalgia talking?
    Yes, XI was really that good. It was the only MMO that kept me on for over a year. From ps2 release til 1 month prior to XIV release, I played XI. The stories, expansions, add-ons, were great. There was so much to do in XI.

    In all honesty, if I could go back to XI, I would, but unfortunately I can't. Even so, I still have hope for XIV to be fixed to a higher level of enjoyment. I like XIV as well, but it's limited.
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