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  1. #21
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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope View Post
    Didn't Yoshida say they were changing the stats back to what they were before for the Allagan Head and Pants?
    Only thing I've heard being restored is caster boots.

    Quote Originally Posted by YuiSasaki View Post
    Edit: And if you do not want the PvP-Boots the CT-Boots also got crit afaik
    13 crit is not worth it losing all the other stats compared to Myth or Allagan. The Piety is kinda moot.

    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalW View Post
    Allagan book is still the best in slot. You forget to take in account the weapon damage, which allagan has the most, and it also has the most MND, your primary stat. And I'd take DET over spell speed any day.
    In addition PvP book would be better than mogbook, more weapon damage and mnd again, and more crit. And where is the Omnilex Zenith here? it's still the best after Allagan tome.
    You're reading that wrong; he's saying to start with the Mogtome and then proceed through PvP to Allagan.
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    Last edited by Waliel; 12-25-2013 at 08:00 AM.

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  2. #22
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    Yui Sasaki
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    Shiva
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalW View Post
    Allagan book is still the best in slot. You forget to take in account the weapon damage, which allagan has the most, and it also has the most MND, your primary stat. And I'd take DET over spell speed any day.
    In addition PvP book would be better than mogbook, more weapon damage and mnd again, and more crit. And where is the Omnilex Zenith here? it's still the best after Allagan tome.
    You misunderstood me.
    What i meant with "Mogbook->PvP-Book -> Allagan Book" is the order in which you could get these. It does not say "Mogbook is better than PvP-Book" (etc.)

    The reason why i did not mention the Omnilex is because i dislike the SS on it. The alternative for it is the PvP-Book, which is in my opinion better than the omnilex. It has the same MDmg, MND and VIT stats, yet it has 37 Crit on it. The only stat, which you'll lose in comparison with the omnilex is 18DTR.

    Side Note: Omnilex stands for Omnilex +1 // Zenith.
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  3. #23
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    Calyanare Vendaurel
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    My opinions, which are probably just a restatement of stuff other people already said, but whatever.

    When it comes to weapons:
    1. Morale is a complete waste of stat allocation in PvE. No matter how much crit is on there, you're still getting a ZERO in a potential stat slot. If you love PvP, though, and are spending most of your SCH time in there, by all means go for the PvP book, but I won't be.
    2. If SCH is your main job and you're worried about BiS, you most likely already have the Omnilex Zenith, which is better than everything except Allagan (2.1 changed nothing in this regard). If you're one of those OMG-WHM-nerfs-I-better-switch-to-SCH-or-nobody-will-love-me, get the Mog book to tide you over until you can get either Omnilex Zenith or Allagan book (or the PvP book, if you're into that, but the Allagan book is still the best one).

    Everything else:
    1. Allagan Circlet is now better than Argute Mortarboard, where previously it was the same.
    2. Argute Culottes are now better than Allagan pants, where previously they were the same.
    3. Royal Shoes (CT) are probably the best boots now (if you're okay with having 3 VIT and 3 MND less than the i90 ones, that is). I already have the Allagan ones, though, and I doubt I'll bother with trying to get a sidegrade while I have alt classes to gear. PvP boots aren't too bad either, but see #1 above as to why I won't be getting them.
    4. Nothing else changed, IMO.

    Signed,
    Someone who switched from WHM to SCH before switching was cool, and is finally feeling better about taking one for the team
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    Last edited by Calyanare; 12-23-2013 at 08:43 PM.

  4. #24
    Player Taruranto's Avatar
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    Archs Crysta
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    Ragnarok
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    Have been farming Ultima and Garuda recently, I have to say I'm pretty dissatisfied as a SCH. Our gears choice from these new bosses is pretty much non-existent, there is no reason to farm them at all. I guess in a sense I should be happy I'm not at RNG mercy, but ugh, I hate not having anything to look forward to.
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    Last edited by Taruranto; 12-24-2013 at 11:04 PM.

  5. #25
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    Calyanare Vendaurel
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    Eh, I grabbed the Vortex Ring of Healing, since the Allagan one hasn't dropped for our group yet, and it's better than the Darklight ring I was still wearing. Apart from rings, though, yeah, most of the new stuff isn't all that great for us.
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  6. #26
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    Ashe Nox
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    Gilgamesh
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    just a tip, dont +1 your book, relic book is a complete garbage, and trust me you can do t5 the same way with +0.
    IF you only play sch, and have nothing else to get with myth, ok, go for it, but its a huge waste of myth.
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    Maki Maki'
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    Weaver Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Azell View Post
    just a tip, dont +1 your book, relic book is a complete garbage, and trust me you can do t5 the same way with +0.
    IF you only play sch, and have nothing else to get with myth, ok, go for it, but its a huge waste of myth.
    Yeeaahh... that's not true. The magic damage alone makes it the very first upgrade you should get.
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  8. #28
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    Sulwyn Caliope
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    Tonberry
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    Quote Originally Posted by ufufu View Post
    Yeeaahh... that's not true. The magic damage alone makes it the very first upgrade you should get.
    Exactly. I got a larger boost in heal points through +1-ing my book than through spending tomes for any single piece of gear. Unless you're with a party that has Twintania on farm (which is not likely since you need at least +1 or at least the EM wep to even get this far in coil), you should always +1 your wep.
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    Jumpy Puppet
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    i only didn't see many people mention this but the vortex ring of healing (Garuda EM drop) is our new BiS second ring (hero's still being the first). it trades the PIE on toe allagan ring for spell speed which is desirable assuming you aren't having MP issues (which you shouldn't). someone posted about this earlier but they got the stats wrong (had VIT instead of MND) leading someone to discount it but it's worth getting for sure.
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    Miss Wildfire
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by YuiSasaki View Post
    The reason why i did not mention the Omnilex is because i dislike the SS on it. The alternative for it is the PvP-Book, which is in my opinion better than the omnilex. It has the same MDmg, MND and VIT stats, yet it has 37 Crit on it. The only stat, which you'll lose in comparison with the omnilex is 18DTR.
    Even tho SS is still kinda useless it still has a value in the game, it's just not as huge as the other stats. If you take the stats provided in the DRG thread and adding up the value of det&SS from the Zenith it outright beats the PvPs 37 crit. You need to remember that crit is still subject to RNG where as DET and SS are pure heal gains. When I looked the other day the difference between the 2 books was almost double in favor of the Omnilex Zenith in terms of pure healing.

    Right now the Tomes stand as: Allagan (clear winner) > Omnilex Zenith (det&ss higher value than crit alone) > PvP (Crit beats out SS, PIE is nice but not needed as much) > EM Tome (Base WD wins clearly) > Omnilex (DET&SS have a higher value than PIE/DET > Titan (Higher WD) > Mog.
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    Last edited by AntonyB; 12-25-2013 at 05:08 AM.

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