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    CrystalW's Avatar
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    Aerie Stormlight
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    Alchemist Lv 50
    A SCH should definitely focus on Crit. But Crit at all cost is just silly. Your main stat is still MND. But hey, they think they're "experts" so let the experts guide us!... Relying on range to heal, damn you must be so gewd
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    Sanguisio Alorea
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    Goldsmith Lv 50
    It depends on your overall build.
    Obviously a small amount of crit in a det/mind build wont make a different.
    IMO get your main heal stat close to your needed cap(where you can comfortable deal with the situation) then move onto secondary stats.
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    Player Sanguisio's Avatar
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    Haha.

    Also, crit doesnt mean jack unless you have decent mind to exploit it, woopy you just crit 600 lol pants!
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    Fierce Agent
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 68
    Quote Originally Posted by AntonyB View Post
    -snip-
    Writing in 2 parts because this 1k character limit on posts is annoying as hell.

    First off, it's 13 MND and 7 DET loss. Not sure where you miscalculated, probably vanya head which can take 11 DET meld? Ok now let's do the math. How much do you think 13 MND will give in heals? 30 HP pts approximately (same gain on crits)? Now even if 41 crit helps me score one extra crit every 50 casts, that's 3-4k HP/shield. Now if you take your extra 30 HP per heal x 50, that's 1500 total HP cured.

    Lower than mine and that's with my example of worst case scenario of crit chance. I'm sure I would crit far more often than that. With my BiS set, your total crit would reach over 550 and like I said in my previous post, I notice higher frequency every 50 crit gain. Of course all of this wouldn't matter in your normal dungeon runs, but when you are in tough content like T4/5 or extreme primals, you need to score crits as a tank healer to keep him up.
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    Felis Catus
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferocious View Post
    First off, it's 13 MND and 7 DET loss. Not sure where you miscalculated, probably vanya head which can take 11 DET meld? Ok now let's do the math. How much do you think 13 MND will give in heals? 30 HP pts approximately (same gain on crits)? Now even if 41 crit helps me score one extra crit every 50 casts, that's 3-4k HP/shield. Now if you take your extra 30 HP per heal x 50, that's 1500 total HP cured.
    You're quoting healing numbers on a WAR tank running CDs (if not your own faire's) on vs raw heals, that's not a fair comparison. I'm an i87 SCH and I crit for ~1400 on a WAR with only Defiance running.

    If you wiped because of the SCH on turn 4, it's because he's bad, not because he didn't gear for crit. SCH shines there.
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    A crit hit during Titan can eat a whole mountain buster or you pray to hit that crit before death sentence on Twintania. SCH is not just a healer, it's a dmg mitigation class and your crit shielding is what separates your performance from WHM, otherwise a normal shield is no better than Cure II of WHM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sanguisio View Post
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    What's this gibberish? I swear these forums have some joke posters. 600 crit? No class crits that low, maybe only Bards do. I don't think you even have a SCH, but FYI - in raids, SCHs are usually assigned to war heals and my crits on them hit for over 2k. On top of that, that gives 4k shield. The last time I healed a war on T4, I literally kept going idle after constantly keeping 4k shields on him. It was a snooze fest. Then the week after, I switched to WHM and this other SCH was sweating bullets trying to keep him up. We even wiped couple of times because of him. I checked his gear, no crit build. End of story.
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    Staris Fate
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    Ultros
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    To be fair, survivability is a function of your non-crits.
    Let me explain, there is no force crit, or crazy high reliable crit buff, so in almost any fight length your going to have several consecutive non crits (until about 98% crit chance). Therefore the ability for the group to survive 100% of the time is a function of the groups max HP, mitigation, and non critical healing potency.

    I know some people like to wipe over and over until crits happen to land when you need them..... but I prefer to reliably clear content as smoothly as possible.
    That said besides Mind for scholars nothing else is very meaningful, so crit is probably your best option after mind.
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    Miss Wildfire
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    Marauder Lv 50
    Lol this guy is high if he thinks he can crit 2k each time he does an Adlo to get a 4k shield. Your tank needs convo up to even attempt to hit a 2k crit, you'd also need your pets buff to hit it. Most of your shields are going to be a damn sight lower than that. My Mrs crits like 1.3k on PLDs and 1.5k ish on WARs and she has tons better gear than you describe(she actually went MND 1st so hers will be higher crits than yours) so if you think dropping so much MND and you actually critting for like 40% more than her than you, you are obviously just trolling.

    With the gear you describe it would literally be impossible to crit a 4k shield all the time, you'd need MND pot, convo, pet buff and a ton of MND to hit it.

    @cainejw well said, maybe he'll actually understand it now instead of his inaccurate claims for a 4k shield (lol).
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    Last edited by AntonyB; 12-28-2013 at 07:09 AM.

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