The Monk Temple

[TheHomieData]

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so then the combined total of using equip to put you above acc cap + determination food (buttons/black truffle) outweighs using gear + accuracy food?

[Allyrion]

so then the combined total of using equip to put you above acc cap + determination food (buttons/black truffle) outweighs using gear + accuracy food?

That's not the issue. The issue is that no stat weight gains from secondary stats can outweigh the loss of 4 strength unless your accuracy is over 500 or something.
For example, using either of your stat weights will put using the Allagan pants or even just the Allagan Choker of Striking will allow you to pick up the Cyclas chest and gain dps from it.
That's not even all the options.

The difference between stat weights are not so different that you can make up for 4 strength.
To put that into perspective, you would need to replace ~286 skill speed with crit to get 4 strength.

So yea, you have other options to reduce your accuracy while keeping all ilvl90 and there's way to make up for dropping 4 strength by shuffling around secondary stats

[Butcherb0y]

@ Allyrion so basically your saying that so long that it will give m

[Butcherb0y]

Dammit at my previous post.... So long it gives me more str that it will always b better?


Binding
Gryphonskin Trousers
Legs
View Item Details
Defense
81
Magic Defense
81
Item Level 70
PGL MNK
Lv. 50

Bonuses

Strength +20
Vitality +22
Critical Hit Rate +27
Determination +13
Materia

Quickarm Materia IV
Skill Speed +9
Quickarm Materia IV
Skill Speed +9
Quickarm Materia III
Skill Speed +6
Quickarm Materia III
Skill Speed +3
Savage Might Materia III
Determination +4

That's a really good melding I got there. So ur telling me fuma will b better than that?
I have 492 acc.

[TheHomieData]

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holy crap 286 skill speed/crit to equal 4 str?!?

[Allyrion]

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Homie's stat weights seemed fine and that was the premise I was working on since I don't have any weights myself.
To be clear, Melding lets you exceed the stat budget further than the ilvl of the gear.

Using -

the "standard melee" stat weights of str: 1.0, det: 0.22, Crit: 0.16, Sks: 0.146

Fuma is - 32.98 (as Homie had, I calculated myself and got the same result.
Your chest - 32.002
Since there's no Accuracy on this piece, it's a straight forward comparison.

It's fairly close for ilvl 70 piece, but you have to understand how much Strenght is worth.
Using those weights
1 Str = 6.8 SS = 6.25 Crit = 4.54 Det

Your piece is 5 Strength behind, meaning it would need something like 34 extra Skill Speed just to make up for that difference.
But melding has to make up for that as well as the lower amount of secondary stats on the base gear.

Your accuracy doesn't matter in this case because neither gives it.
So yea, I will say the Fuma is better.
The Gryphonskin does well to compare for what it is, but it still loses.

holy crap 286 skill speed/crit to equal 4 str?!?

It's replacing 286 Skill Speed with 286 crit to actually gain 4 strength worth of points through secondary stat optimization.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
My point is that all non-melded gear of uses a certain budget based on their item level. You are shuffling the stats around to get a gain in dps. However since the values are so close and so much lower than strength, no shuffling or optimization can be done to make up for dropping 4 strength.

[Eissels]

So...IS there a definite BiS list for monks?

As a newbie, I'd kinda like to know what to and what not to spend my myth on.

[Rapiso]

So...IS there a definite BiS list for monks?

As a newbie, I'd kinda like to know what to and what not to spend my myth on.

1)http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/2097/MNK-...s-in-a-blanket
2)http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6433/MNK-...tuffed-Cabbage
3)http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6463/MNK-...Q-Deviled-Eggs

My BiS depending on food used

EDIT : 3) is the best set imo

[Allyrion]

so then the combined total of using equip to put you above acc cap + determination food (buttons/black truffle) outweighs using gear + accuracy food?

An easy example of a better combination than yours, using your standard stat weight:
Melee Cyclas + Allagan pants = 32.504 + 37.944 = 70.448
Fuma Chest + Melee Pants = 32.98 + 32.74 = 65.72

In this scenario, the accuracy can actually be properly ignored since both the Melee chest and the Melee Gaskins give the same accuracy.
I'm not making a BiS list, but the swap between these two make for a straight forward comparison as the accuracy is unchanged for the pairs.

Fuma can't stand up when given a *fair* comparison to a 90 set.

1)http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/2097/MNK-...s-in-a-blanket
2)http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6433/MNK-...tuffed-Cabbage
3)http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6463/MNK-...Q-Deviled-Eggs

My BiS depending on food used
1) is the worst set.

I agree with your sets.
The person you're replying to may get the impression the Cyclas isn't worth buying though.
Considering they were asking about myth spending. I'm pretty sure you consider it is since you're wearing it yourself.
Maybe make a pre-turn 5 BiS?

Personally, I gear around my drops and accuracy.
The Hero's Bracelet of Slaying is a safe choice.

Most Melee gear isn't ideal stat-wise compared to their Allagan counter parts, but they are good upgrades until you get the drops.
Most BiS lists don't include much Myth gear.
The head, feet and neck myth are also decent.

[Butcherb0y]

That's actually a waste gear slot if I need to come up with 34 skill speed just for me to keep my pans. I didn't know str weight that much.