Materia IV and Pudding Flesh

[Ksenia]

How is the self serving grind different from any other aspect of an MMO? People do the high level battle content to get better equipment so that they can do more content for more equipment until they have BIS on their job(s). High level battle gear makes battle easier and the only purpose for battle is to get high level gear. Circular pass-time for both battle and crafting.

The difference is, crafting is a stepping stone in FF14. A stepping stone to rewarded BiS 90 and a stepping stone that can be ignored. I can get BiS craft for 400 levels, I will still need to run all the battle content to reach the final tier of content available in the game. Nothing I do now as a crafter really matters, even for my character as an end game character.

[NintenPyjak64]

The difference is, crafting is a stepping stone in FF14. A stepping stone to rewarded BiS 90 and a stepping stone that can be ignored. I can get BiS craft for 400 levels, I will still need to run all the battle content to reach the final tier of content available in the game. Nothing I do now as a crafter really matters, even for my character as an end game character.

Vanya hat of healing is (a potential) BiS for Scholar (plus looks WAY better then Relic/Allagan hats imo)
Griffonskin Ring is BiS for multiple classes
Mages use iLvl 70 jewelry because of the Vit +8 Materia you can put into it

That's just 3 examples, but I wish people would stop saying crafters are useless. We ARE useful, put the effort into looking at what you can craft. Yes you can go for iLvl 90s, but just because it's iLvl 90 doesn't exactly mean it's better

[Peptaru]

Vanya hat of healing is (a potential) BiS for Scholar (plus looks WAY better then Relic/Allagan hats imo)
Griffonskin Ring is BiS for multiple classes
Mages use iLvl 70 jewelry because of the Vit +8 Materia you can put into it

You'd lose 6 mind, 6 Vit and a couple secondaries, trying to use vanya. That's A LOT to make up even for a penta-meld. The best argument you can make is "yay critical!" which refers back to the post about finding excuses to try to call things BiS when they aren't.

Gryphonskin is BiS (if you have enough effective HP to survive the encounter you're going into) for tanks only. Though I suppose, albeit a technicality, that would be "multiple" jobs.

For the last point, I've never seen a mage use the ring for vitality. Some used <- them because they edge out VERY minutely, from one viewpoint, other rings as BiS -- even in that case, it was only when you had all the other gear to provide the proper stats to support using an i70 ring.

Don't worry; I hate that all of my crafting jobs are largely useless for any sort of endgame, too.

[NintenPyjak64]

For the last point, I've never seen a mage use the ring for vitality. Some used <- them because they edge out VERY minutely, from one viewpoint, other rings as BiS -- even in that case, it was only when you had all the other gear to provide the proper stats to support using an i70 ring.

As a WHM going into Turn 5, this jewelry is practically one of 2 options. My other option is to restat into full Vitality to hit that 4.2k HP mark which I want to avoid like the plague. I have 3 pieces of HQ iLvl 70 jewelry and once I get the money, all 3 will have a Vit +8 materia on them among the 4 other melds. Black Mages and Summoners also have to go through this or face the alternative.

And for the Vanya, please remember that when a SCH crits it's shield, it's effect is doubled. No amount of MND can bridge the gap between that. Yes while having MND is nice, I'd rather take the RNG out of crit as much as I possibly can

[Ksenia]

Vanya hat of healing is (a potential) BiS for Scholar (plus looks WAY better then Relic/Allagan hats imo)
Griffonskin Ring is BiS for multiple classes
Mages use iLvl 70 jewelry because of the Vit +8 Materia you can put into it

That's just 3 examples, but I wish people would stop saying crafters are useless. We ARE useful, put the effort into looking at what you can craft. Yes you can go for iLvl 90s, but just because it's iLvl 90 doesn't exactly mean it's better

Keep telling yourself that.
Keep passing on the HM Primal Jewelry as well because you have it crafted. 7 other people appreciate that.

Look at my stat sheet. I'm a crafter by nature. I'm also a pragmatist. It isn't worth it.

[LiadansWhisper]

Keep telling yourself that.
Keep passing on the HM Primal Jewelry as well because you have it crafted. 7 other people appreciate that.

Look at my stat sheet. I'm a crafter by nature. I'm also a pragmatist. It isn't worth it.

Well um...your stat sheet has you in lowbie fishing gear. >.>