80 Durability 100% HQ using all NQ materials.

[Maelwys]

I'm not a huge fan of the simulators, but they can be useful sometimes.

Agreed

...so with that in mind... quick question:

At what level of Craftsmanship do you need to be at in order to not have to use all three Careful Synthesis II under "Ingenuity" and still complete a 233 Difficulty synth?

The most accurate simulator I've found suggests that this happens at around 350 Craftsmanship, but since I'm still not quite that kitted-out in game, I'm unsure of just how accurate that is for a real in-game synth.

If it's within easy reach to get the extra Craftsmanship required, then it might be worth spending a few extra Craftsmanship points in melds in order to save a truckload of CP.

I'm thinking that if you can get to the point where two CS II under Ingenuity and one "normal" CS II are sufficient, then you could just use the normal CSII in place of Observe, and bring your rotation back down to 359 CP or even lower (if you can swap the order a bit so that the "Standard Touch" happens under Ingenuity, you might nearly be able to drop "Innovation")

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Potentially you could get away with something like the below, for 348 CP (so you'd not even have to eat food!)

+ Comfort Zone
+ Inner Quiet
+ Steady Hand II
+ Basic Touch
+ Basic Touch
+ Basic Touch
+ Basic Touch
+ Basic Touch
+ Manipulation
*** IF CONDITION IS EXCELLENT THEN USE CAREFUL SYNTHESIS II HERE ***
+ Steady Hand II
+ Basic Touch
+ Ingenuity (If condition is excellent, swap this and the next 'Basic touch' around)
+ Basic Touch
*** IF CONDITION IS NOT EXCELLENT THEN USE GREAT STRIDES ***
+ Byregot's Blessing
+ Careful Synthesis II
+ Careful Synthesis II
+ Careful Synthesis II (Only use if not already used for an Excellent Condition earlier)

The above should be a guaranteed 100% HQ rotation with NQ materials as long as you have 343 Control or more, and enough craftsmanship to complete a synth in 2x CSII under ingenuity and 1x CSII outside it (which may be considerably higher than the 350 Craftsmanship the sims suggest!) Technically it'd only need 343 control to ensure that it can weather a Poor condition on step #4 (the 1st "Basic Touch") - so I suppose that you could use your normal "Careful Synth 2" there instead if desired as it'd be incredibly unlikely to get 2 'Excellents' in exactly the wrong place.

(Edit: Confirmed working at 357 Craftsmanship. So minimum requirements for this rotation would be 357 Craftsmanship, 343 Control and 348 CP. Technically you can hit that with just gear + melds, no food)

[Aphraell]

Agreed

...so with that in mind... quick question:

At what level of Craftsmanship do you need to be at in order to not have to use all three Careful Synthesis II under "Ingenuity" and still complete a 233 Difficulty synth?

The most accurate simulator I've found suggests that this happens at around 350 Craftsmanship, but since I'm still not quite that kitted-out in game, I'm unsure of just how accurate that is for a real in-game synth.

I'm unsure what the Craftmanship required would be, I don't bother logging in much these days, the games gone stagnant sadly. It shouldn't be hard to test though on 2 star food(cheap).

The rotation you wrote above is what I used to use on 1 Star synths. Except I changed the last Basic Touch to Hasty Touch as I had crap CP back then.

[Pinworms]

This is my tweaked HQ rotation for 2 Star crafting for 80 Durability only. If you follow the instructions below, the Rotation can NOT fail. Guaranteed 100% HQ now.


Required Cross Class Skills
Lvl 50 Carpenter "Byregot's Blessing"
Lvl 50 Alchemist "Comfort Zone"
Lvl 50 Weaver "Careful Synthesis II"
Lvl 50 Goldsmith "Innovation"
Lvl 37 Culinarian "Steady Hands II"
Lvl 15 Blacksmith "Ingenuity"
Lvl 15 Leatherworker "Waste Not"


Requires 347Craft, 340Control and 373CP(Use food) (added the extra 14CP to enable you to use "Observe" to remove the random chance of a bad poor status on Standard Touch)


/ac "Comfort Zone" <me>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <me>
/ac "Waste Not" <me>
/ac "Steady Hand II" <me>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me>
/ac "Basic Touch" <me>
/ac "Great Strides" <me>

IMPORTANT: If condition is Excellent you hit "Observe", if not continue as normal

/ac "Steady Hand" <me>
/ac "Standard Touch" <me>
/ac "Great Strides" <me>
/ac "Ingenuity" <me>

IMPORTANT: If condition is Excellent skip the next step of "Innovation", if not continue on as normal.

/ac "Innovation" <me>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <me>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me>
/ac "Careful Synthesis II" <me>


- If you don't have a Lvl 50 Alchemist you can drop "Comfort Zone" from the macro and adjust your minimum requirement of CP to 387.(requires near max CP)
- If you have near max CP and use HQ Bouillabaisse you can get a even higher boost by adjusting the rotation to add Innovation after the first Great Strides changing the CP requirement from 373 to 391.

Edit: Removed Macro form to fix the slight chance you get a Excellent condition on the Standard Touch. Thanks to Scarebearz , Vortok and Doran for pointing out some changes/worst case scenarios to tweak the Rotation.





Been playing with some hasty touch rotations in case they implement more crafting items with even higher Quality levels. Its not a 100% HQ guarantee but it has the potential to pretty much go over 5000 quality level in the simulator I tested it with. Also added a lazy Hasty touch rotation for 40 Dura items which you can macro and mostly come out HQ. If you want a higher chance you need to use the Tricks of the Trade/Hasty Touch method.

Requires 347Craft, 340Control and 381CP(Use food) 80 Durability any difficulty.
Comfort Zone
Inner Quiet
Steady Hands II
Waste Not II
Hasty Touch x 4
Basic Touch
Steady Hands II
Hasty Touch x 5
Manipulation
Steady Hands II
Basic Touch
Great Strides
Ingenuity
Innovation (Skip if on Excellent condition)
Byregot's Blessing
Careful Synthesis II x 3


Requires 347Craft, 340Control and 381CP(Use food) 40 Durability any difficulty

Comfort Zone
Inner Quiet
Steady Hand II
Waste Not II
Hasty Touch x 4
Steady Hand II
Hasty Touch x3
Manipulation
Steady Hand II
Basic Touch
Great Strides
Ingenuity
Innovation (Skip if on Excellent condition)
Byregot's Blessing
Careful Synthesis II x 2

Hey boss good write up, and thank you. Does anyone know the base cp before food for these synths? I have 347 craft, 340 control, but my cp is not as high. I have not tried to use cp food yet since I have not done a star item yet. I'm trying to figure out how much more Cp I need to meld to hit the recommended for these. I also do not have comfort zone...so that's out. I want to get 100% every time of course also if possible. I have weaver, cul, gsm, and cpt at 50, and everything else 15-25.

Anyways, I'm about to craft an astral ring and I don't want to mess up on it cp wise and blow the entire synth, I think I'm good on the other two stats. Also wanted to check to see if these are still viable or if there is better for 40 and 80 2 star.

[Lemon8or]

Hey boss good write up, and thank you. Does anyone know the base cp before food for these synths? I have 347 craft, 340 control, but my cp is not as high. I have not tried to use cp food yet since I have not done a star item yet. I'm trying to figure out how much more Cp I need to meld to hit the recommended for these. I also do not have comfort zone...so that's out. I want to get 100% every time of course also if possible. I have weaver, cul, gsm, and cpt at 50, and everything else 15-25.

Anyways, I'm about to craft an astral ring and I don't want to mess up on it cp wise and blow the entire synth, I think I'm good on the other two stats. Also wanted to check to see if these are still viable or if there is better for 40 and 80 2 star.

340 if you're using NQ Bouillabaisse (+10% max 34 CP), 331 if you're using HQ of the same item (+13% max 43CP). Higher if you want to use cheaper food.
Without Comfort Zone, you need 14 more CP since it subtract 66 then add 80 over 10 steps. Add 14 more to the CP I listed above.
Edit: Or since you're on Leviathan, I can craft it for you. :P

[Pinworms]

Thank you so much, and it's nice to see a friendly face from Levi! Anyone have a good 40 durability macro or step process that's 100%?

[Lemon8or]

Thank you so much, and it's nice to see a friendly face from Levi! Anyone have a good 40 durability macro or step process that's 100%?

Unfortunately, there's no current automatic process that will guarantee 100% HQ on 40 durability. You'll just have to use Hasty Touch method for that.

[Wolfies]

Hey Scarez - I've run my macro probably 2000+ times crafting food and 2 star gear and it's never failed. So to test your simulation I downloaded my first ever Crafting simulator to see what all the fuss is about. I loaded in my rotation and it came out 100%. So I then removed the Great strides before the Standard Touch and it still came out 100%. Either I'm doing something wrong or we are using different simulators. As I said I've never failed with it.

What I used: http://xivsim.x0.com/

I can guarantee you that if you get 0 goods and hit your standard on a poor with great strides, you WILL fail and not hit 100%. with 354 control I hit 96%.

[Aphraell]

I can guarantee you that if you get 0 goods and hit your standard on a poor with great strides, you WILL fail and not hit 100%. with 354 control I hit 96%.

If you follow the rotation as I've written you should NEVER get a "Poor" condition on either the Standard or Byregot's Touch. That's why I included the 2 Important quotes. Hence why this rotation is 100% when others are.... mostly 100%

IMPORTANT: If condition is Excellent you hit "Observe", if not continue as normal
IMPORTANT: If condition is Excellent skip the next step of "Innovation", if not continue on as normal.

If you're following the other thread where they copied my earlier Macro that's why you are not hitting 100%. I have tweaked that slightly since to allow for "Poor" conditions. Use the rotation in the 1st thread of this post.