Please nerf summoner in PvP.

[Zabuza]

I guess it's time to reroll a summoner as this is probably going to be the flavor of the month for PvP.

[Warthain]

honestly ive ran into a few of those setups, their weakness lies in their damage... its mostly dots, dots can be dispelled, i had a cleric in pug team, just spamming esuna and clearing all debuffs while landing the ocasional heal, smns must have been frustrated, no dots = no fester, no bane , nothing much really, smn's arent OP even if they might look like it... there are good counters to smn dps, you just need to look well into all the game abilities in the game and see who has them, just because your class falls short vs smn others wont... you probably kill other classes others dont kill has easily...

[Parodine]

Then you should kill us first, eh?

Also, I dunno what the posters were saying about 'instant' raise or bind, we have neither. With swiftcast, sure. But we're so squishy with a melee you have a good chance of interrupting any spell longer than instant. There's the balance. If we can't get up our DoT's, our Fester isn't a threat, we aren't a threat. Sleep Garuda or heavy on Ifrit our pet that cripples them too.

[Dorin]

honestly ive ran into a few of those setups, their weakness lies in their damage... its mostly dots, dots can be dispelled, i had a cleric in pug team, just spamming esuna and clearing all debuffs while landing the ocasional heal, smns must have been frustrated, no dots = no fester, no bane , nothing much really, smn's arent OP even if they might look like it... there are good counters to smn dps, you just need to look well into all the game abilities in the game and see who has them, just because your class falls short vs smn others wont... you probably kill other classes others dont kill has easily...

The problem is 3x swiftcast + resurrection.

That's bullshit. They should limit res to one per team per battle.

[Flaeb]

Odd, they die so fast I never noticed.

Odd, I killed the Summoner and the healer ressed him.

And then we killed the healer, and then the summoner ressed him! Endless!

[Zabuza]

Then you should kill us first, eh?

Try doing that in a double summoner comp, you may be able to pressure one of the summoners but the other will be raping you and CCing you to infinity. Also if you kill a summoner or a healer they will get raised regardless in a double summoner comp. Also the summoner you are on can still cast a slow on you and run from you if you are melee. I wish it was as simple as "killing you first"

[Zabuza]

The problem is 3x swiftcast + resurrection.

That's bullshit. They should limit res to one per team per battle.

The main problem is they just have too many tools that are good for PvP in general. The 3x swiftcast is certainly a big deal. So too, is the 2x healing debuff from two summoners. So too, are the endless instant slows/binds. Combined with the good damage. Put it all together and it is simply too much.

P.S. I forgot about their pets.

[Parodine]

Try doing that in a double summoner comp, you may be able to pressure one of the summoners but the other will be raping you and CCing you to infinity. Also if you kill a summoner or a healer they will get raised regardless in a double summoner comp. Also the summoner you are on can still cast a slow on you and run from you if you are melee. I wish it was as simple as "killing you first"

Without sleep, I agree it would be very hard. But we are squishy, and heavy/physical interrupt us and it's pretty crippling. If we can't get up DoTs, our Fester is worth nothing, and our dmg is gone pretty much. But in a two SMN situation, I concede it's extremely difficult to take on both of us and leave the healer to do as they want. But it's similar in a SMN and BLM situation too. Don't wanna leave the BLM alone because of sleep, etc.

But it's also important if you're gonna take us out to have your tank (typically) or BRD on the healer to interrupt raises. And if they get a swift-cast off. Stand near the SMN/healer and beat them down before they get healed up. If a SMN raises a healer, they can't heal them anymore really. zerg em again and it's over.

[Dorin]

The main problem is they just have too many tools that are good for PvP in general. The 3x swiftcast is certainly a big deal. So too, is the 2x healing debuff from two summoners. So too, are the endless instant slows/binds. Combined with the good damage. Put it all together and it is simply too much.

I personally don't mind about their other stuff, it's just battle resurrection that pisses me off.

If they're bad and die they should remain dead period.

[jars]

well

anyone want to pvp with me?