2.1 WAR PVE First impression

[Zoomie]

But I'm pretty sure we're NOT on par with PLD when it comes to damage mitigation, we're missing at least a BIG defensive CD instead of weaklings like Inner beast & Thrill of battle.

This simply isn't true for predictable fights like Titan. IB/SP for every Mountain Buster is 30% DR without popping any cooldowns. I have 8500hp in a party and MB hits me for ~3300.

There is still no room in raid for offtanks. Regarding raids (Titan HM+, coil) we're at best a second choice.

I'm guessing you've never been to coil? Every fight is a two tank fight and WAR/PLD is simply superior to PLD/PLD now. Its certainly doable with PLD/PLD but why take more damage, gen less threat, and give up some limit gain? Warrior brings storms eye, storms path, and allows for full LB gain.

Turn 1: I would agree that the only thing strictly gained in this fight with WAR/PLD is limit gain. Neither tank is "off tanking" in the traditional sense.

Turn 2: A warrior on ADS will make this fight SO much easier. 100% up time on both storms eye and storms path are very nice.

Turn 4: Either could MT (dreadnaught tank) this fight equally imho. That being said WAR is the clearly superior OT given their damage application via overpower and steel cyclone.

Turn 5: Admittedly I have yet to kill Twintania but I can't imagine that storms path won't be of massive benefit considering the Rain of Death and Virus nerfs.

How could you justify taking PLD/PLD when given the choice? Assuming you aren't relying on hallowed for every fight. Which is a failing of the group and has nothing to do with warrior.

[Sargon]

I'm guessing you've never been to coil? Every fight is a two tank fight and WAR/PLD is simply superior to PLD/PLD now. Its certainly doable with PLD/PLD but why take more damage, gen less threat, and give up some limit gain? Warrior brings storms eye, storms path, and allows for full LB gain.

People keep telling me I'm wrong on stuff I didn't say
So just take a deep breath, and read carefully : I said end-game raids had no room for off tanking, prior to testing 2.1 raid, because :
Titan is a 1 tank fight
Coil are 2 tanks fight

Off tanking is tanking something weaker than the real target, and require less resistance. For example, for Garuda HM you need an off-tank for the red linked one. For Caduceus you need two tanks.

For the rest, I really hope you're right, I didn't run coil or 2.1 raids since patch, since my FC still do it with 2 plds, so I can't tell if 2.1 was enough for this. I was just giving my impression I hope you're right thou

[Zoomie]

People keep telling me I'm wrong on stuff I didn't say
Titan is a 1 tank fight
Coil are 2 tanks fight

Off tanking is tanking something weaker than the real target, and require less resistance. For example, for Garuda HM you need an off-tank for the red linked one. For Caduceus you need two tanks.

I'll be brief...

Titan, warrior is superior. 30% DR on every MB on top of our HP is brokenly strong. PLD's don't have a CD for every single MB. WAR's have rampart for every single one without touching cooldowns.

Coil, its less than optimal to take PLD/PLD. Not sure why this is even a point of discussion.

Lastly, even mentioning HM garuda in this thread is pointless. Want to kill garuda? Hit level 50 and go duty finder it, just about any gear level can get carried through it even as a tank.