GOOD JOB YOSHI P!

[Stormrider]

So basically, housing isnt for all the players, just for the rich ones or the people who can play a lot of hours everyday to farm the money.

Sounds like a good plan, yeah.

Not to be mean. But are you considering that maybe they don't want all these small less then 10 man FC's. A subtle (or not) way to force some of them to move on. You can have your own chat channels (LS), why do you need a small FC?

I do think like a million things they do this could have been better handled. A new currency creating a fresh farm system. Something that allows large groups to gather faster.

Finally nothing to do with your statement. The original OP has so poorly chosen the word challenge. When a better choice is commitment . A grind is not a challenge but a dedicated commitment to a group goal. Is that truly so evil?

[senjyo]

Lol, you know nothing if you think crafting is required to enter the market. You're also wasting time.

It doesn't, but it is a great indication of how well you understand the true aspect of crafting/material true value/market's demand.

[Black91CRX]

my qualm with the OP is the association of making gil to challenging. It isn't. You just have to sink time into it.

It all boils down to time.

[Matsume]

But, for the 4th time, my qualm with the OP is the association of making gil to challenging. It isn't. You just have to sink time into it.

I could say the same for any content in every video game. It's not challenging, just a time sink blah blah. Get over it dude. You will not be winning this battle. Look up the definition of a challenge. Or is that too challenging for you to come to terms with? Just admit it, you are wrong. You want to call it a time sink but you are also wrong.

Free Companies can have 500 players, if everyone had 1 mil to donate that's 500 mil. That would indeed be a challenge to bring together 500 players each willing to contribute 1 million gil to buy the most expensive epeen plot of land on the market.

If you think these prices are too expensive then don't buy a house. If everyone else on the server agrees with you then they wont buy any either. If no one can afford these outrageous prices as all of you claim then just hold onto your pocket change and wait a while. If this statement is true prices will drop. If this statement isn't true then prices wont drop.

Here's what I find most amusing: The housing market has a built in price deflation mechanism such that if prices on a plot of land are unreasonably high it will devalue over time. THIS IS A SELF CORRECTING MECHANISM. And here all of you whiners and complainers are, bitching and moaning about the price being too high- INSISTING that something be done about it BEFORE the patch. But why? If the prices are as unreasonably high as you say they are then let the housing market reflect that and prove itself. Quit trying to force your unfounded accusations and speculative half truths about your servers economy onto the rest of us.

nuf sed.

[BoomerOU]

It doesn't, but it is a great indication of how well you understand the true aspect of crafting/material true value/market's demand.

To an extent. Rarity of a Type A widget and its demand vs Type B widget means more than whether or not I can make said widget myself. But I haven't sank an even -greater- amount of time in to crafting so what do I know, right? Since craft level is indicative of wealth, apparently lol.

[vinces]

Not to be mean. But are you considering that maybe they don't want all these small less then 10 man FC's. A subtle (or not) way to force some of them to move on. You can have your own chat channels (LS), why do you need a small FC?

+1. This is an excellent point I hadn't thought of. One of my biggest complaints of the FC/LS system has been how they seem virtually pointless. My coil static is comprised of people from one of my LS's ( I have 5. Why? Idk.) which are from about 6 different FC's. The LS founders of said LS also have their own FC. Why? No clue. Just join a larger FC and see the benefits of FC housing sooner. If the end result is a bunch of smaller FC's closing house and moving on, it could serve as a win/win for all involved.

[Tridus1x]

Every FC has 500 members, according to white knights. So the pricing is fine.

/eyeroll

I should of brought some popcorn, it's amazing how offended people are when you challenge a decision their Dev-God makes. Keep it going though, glad you want to alienate players rather than bring them together. Makes total sense lol.

[Faelandaea]

I think the main issue, at least from what I can ascertain is that, not only is the largest plot of land simply unobtainable even after six months of regular play. It is the fact that it was advertised as affordable and would be available at launch of 2.1. The second issue is that while the large houses do seem excessively expensive, the smaller plots of land are not worth their cost for reasons; they do not offer the capacity nor does it offer a way to be upgraded. If upgrading was an option. Most FC would buy the small or medium and then work up to large. But right now, it is simply a waste of content not to be enjoyed for at least 6 months. Can you imagine coil being there, ready to be played but you couldn't go in, because it had a gear check of i85? That isn't even hard to get. It's super easy. But godly time consuming. Meanwhile, here is this content.. No one is utilizing.

Unobtainable? The only way stuff is unobtainable by cost is if you spend all your Gil on the market buying your way to 50 instead of playing the game. I see it all the time in the LS and chats i am a member of - players constantly buying gear when they can get ANYTHING they need from just PLAYING the game. The story-line alone gives all the gear you need to go right into Endgame, and then you have a different system for "purchasing" Darklight gear to take you even further, without spending a single Gil.

And people have MANY MANY ways of making Gil fast by just using their skills. Take the FCs that are selling "boosts" for Titan at 300k in Revenant's Toll (not sure if i spelled that right, but you get the idea). And i constantly see people actually paying those services. So here is how the true economy went - FC made the Gil and is now in housing - individual has nothing to contribute toward his own FC getting a house.

Just reality.

EDIT: Had to add - I have spent Gil on things as well for M'Lady and I, so I do know of what I speak. So who is to blame for me not having a house the MOMENT the server goes live? Myself. NOT the economy, NOT the devs (even though they hired a damned monkey to type those horrid patch notes). I am sure there HAS to be SOMEONE out there besides me owning up that, "Hey, I can;t afford the housing because I didn't know how to manage my Gil!" Ah well, I spend enough time being responsible with my spending in real life - in the game at least I can be stupid with my spending and still have fun in the end even if i go broke XD

And before someone goes off on me saying I am in some large FC (see above my post, for example) and a "White Knight" . . . I have PLENTY to complain about as far as SE goes on things they did to this game. At least they FINALLY bloody included a right click "Ignore" feature - something that SHOULD have been done at the beginning, but we players had to make a macro so we didn;t have to copy/paste/type names into the Blacklist. There is plenty I want to see done that I doubt I ever see. Oh well. And is the housing expensive as hell? YES!!!! It most certainly IS!!! My comment, however, is aimed at the folks who say it CAN'T be done, like the comment I quoted. It CAN be done . . . it'll just take a bit longer for those of us who are smaller in FC size.

[BoomerOU]

I could say the same for any content in every video game. It's not challenging, just a time sink blah blah. Get over it dude. You will not be winning this battle. Look up the definition of a challenge. Or is that too challenging for you to come to terms with? Just admit it, you are wrong. You want to call it a time sink but you are also wrong.

But you CANT say the same about every feature in every video game. Tasks that are truly challenging require learning and growth. Monotony requires neither.

As said by Stormrider, committment is a much more accurate description.

I realize I'm arguing semantics, btw. But my code is being tested atm so I gotta pass the time somehow :-)

[Matsume]

Every FC has 500 members, according to white knights. So the pricing is fine.

/eyeroll

I should of brought some popcorn, it's amazing how offended people are when you challenge a decision their Dev-God makes. Keep it going though, glad you want to alienate players rather than bring them together. Makes total sense lol.

No, you are missing the point my half witted friend. Free companies were not designed by the devs for small groups of people. The INTENTION was such that Free Companies be LARGE. This is why they have such a large capacity as opposed to linkshells which are much smaller in capacity. You see, this is the way the game designers had intended for things to unfold.

Do keep in mind that this is FREE COMPANY HOUSING intended for BIG FREE COMPANIES. This is not personal housing and as such reflects that.

Now lets recap. FCs were designed with the intention of bringing together 500 people, give or take. FC Housing was designed as a major gil sink for these large free companies to host their many members.

Now, you run along and say "hey i have a 10 man FC and I want my own house" Well sorry kid, but that wasn't the intent. Now you want to go against the grain? Swim against the tide, and try to buy yourself a house intended for a free company with 20 times your member count, by all means, it will be 20 x more difficult.

You should know, I am one of those small Free Company leaders (not even 6 ppl in mine) who wanted to purchase a big ass plot of land, but obviously I don't have that kind of gil... so why don't you see me complaining? Because I understand the intentions behind the game design that you all choose to deny. You all just want everything without having to work for it. Good riddance.