So.. who's leveling a SCH?

[Kuroyasha]

Whm still has plenty of tools at their disposal. Still get freecures, still got better protect/stoneskin, still got very useful job abilities. Shields and fairy combined with any medica and relatively frequent divine sealed heals will still be great. It'll be okay lol

p.s. and that's not even mentioning that lb will fill slower if use the same class in a party(if youre overgeared for a fight then obviously that part wont matter).

Just my honest opinion on the 2 healers.

[KahnMeido]

Lol get over yourself! Because of a some ajustments you whine.

well you seem to have missed the area of adjustments where actually timing EoS abilities will be possible. The medica 2 change is pretty big regardless of what your tiny brain perceives to be "impactful". 5% of lustrate isn't just a flat amount it's a % based heal so the better the gear the larger the increase. Virus will effect tanking and healing as a whole. where you used to have x viruses to use now you get 1 per minute. An effective increase in damage and the amount needed to heal it. But hey i only play the job; it's not like I'm completely oblivious and commenting from a job that has relatively no clue.

[Velox]

So medica 2 heals less on the onset for the regen. So what? pop it and do a medica or an extra medica.

And therein lies the problem. WHM have no efficient way to recover MP. Any change in mechanics that require using MORE skills only hurts the class more and more. The worse part of these job nerfs (both direct and indirect through the cross-class nerfs) are not really the nerfs themselves, but that they did nothing to change SoS to compensate. SoS should either have scaling MP regeneration, or be on a shorter cooldown.

[hamsteak]

um forgive me but being able to heal x amount in 15 seconds as opposed to being able to heal x amount in 30 secondes is pretty huge as you have to wait an extra 15 seconds to recast or waste half of your hot healing for on demand healing so yea....its a nerf to aoe healing ability. even with divine seal a fairy's regen will be on par when combined with rouse and illumination...fact.../thread

by reading you other posts you clearly have no clue how a Whm plays.
You also seem to think a system where utility is innate is equal to one based around RNG. Mindboggling but...can I have whatever it is that you're smoking?

or (and this is crazy!) you can cast cure 3 and heal those targets to full/near full since as i've already stated

"where else in coil do you need aoe healing besides twintania? medica 2 will be even better for turn 2 since it will last longer and heal through the constant aoe without overhealing and cure 3 will be even better for twintania"

your scholar should be using succor and sacred soil when it's up to offset fireball damage

edit: these whine threads are giving me a massive headache so i won't be responding; in the only content that matters there's only 1 fight where burst aoe healing is needed and cure 3 is miles ahead of medica 2 there, if you can't see that then i don't know what to tell you

[Nofacekiller]

If they are going to encroach on our AOE healing niche (which is really situational due to only a small number of fights needing strong AOE heals), then they need to buff our single target healing a bit.

We need an emergency off the GCD skill to save tanks that IS NOT on a 5 minute CD, that doesn't cause us to spend any more mana.

How to do it? Rework Stoneskin.


New Stoneskin:

-Instant Cast

-Off the GCD

-20s CD

-places a debuff preventing the target from receiving another stoneskin for 20s (prevents WHM stacking)

-costs no mana

-All these changes are tied to the Graniteskin Trait that WHMs exclusively get

If you really think about it, this will fix a lot of the problems WHM has. SCH can still handle prebuffing the raid with their stoneskin.

[SasaraiKorai]

I do not play WHM so I'm confused about these changes. Isn't WHM still superior in AOE healing? I've read comments that this is a niche mechanic but there are fights in Coil and Titan and Garuda where AOE healing is necessary. I have a feeling that all 3 extreme primal fights will be the same.

The change to Medica 2 does seem unnecessary. As a SCH, I always feel more comfortable with a WHM as the second healer and I don't see that changing. Our abilities don't line up well with another SCH. There is also the change to the Limit Break that penalizes having more of one job. I think WHM will always be in high demand.

This is not to make light of the WHM concerns. There was a lot done this patch that really seemed unnecessary and I think it's important for the community to voice their displeasure. I just don't think that there will be a shift to SCH/SCH fights because of the adjustments. If I am missing something, I apologize.

[Wolf_Gang]

WHM complaining about Medica II want to exchange it for Succor?

Can something explain the logic?

[sharazisspecial]

WHM complaining about Medica II want to exchange it for Succor?

Can something explain the logic?

Anyone who is actually good at the game would tell you that WHM would trade medica 2 for sch's succor in a heart beat.

Do people in this thread seriusly think SCH spams lustrate everytime he feels like?

They will be using it more then whm will be using the nerfed medica 2 , thats for sure.

All these baby scholars downplaying lustrate is hilarious.

[Taruranto]

Do people in this thread seriusly think SCH spams lustrate everytime he feels like?

[Kuroyasha]

And therein lies the problem. WHM have no efficient way to recover MP. Any change in mechanics that require using MORE skills only hurts the class more and more. The worse part of these job nerfs (both direct and indirect through the cross-class nerfs) are not really the nerfs themselves, but that they did nothing to change SoS to compensate. SoS should either have scaling MP regeneration, or be on a shorter cooldown.

True. If there's a situation where we absolutely HAVE to pop multiple medicas right after a medica 2, may be a problem w/o out a bard. But then that makes Bard more useful as a dps/support class ( i know people be like "bard is dps there are no support blah blah, but if it's job abilities focus on helping others then im calling it dps/support lol )