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[Einheri]

Can any one tell my what the loss in potency to elemental resistance is? I was under the impression that elemental damage had higher potency because it would have to go through an enemies elemental resistance and non elemental attacks like ruin do not. Is this correct? Does this mean the loss in damage due to casting lightning vs ruin is alot lower then people are assuming using potency for those math's instead of damage done? Is the trade off in having blizz 2 for aoe fights not worth the small loss in single target? Just curious as I was planning on a SMN as my next class

[Sleigh]

Can any one tell my what the loss in potency to elemental resistance is? I was under the impression that elemental damage had higher potency because it would have to go through an enemies elemental resistance and non elemental attacks like ruin do not. Is this correct? Does this mean the loss in damage due to casting lightning vs ruin is alot lower then people are assuming using potency for those math's instead of damage done? Is the trade off in having blizz 2 for aoe fights not worth the small loss in single target? Just curious as I was planning on a SMN as my next class

Enemies all have the same, standard resistance to attacks, 100% damage. You'll do the same against a training dummy as you will Twintania. You can simply ignore elemental damage and focus purely on Potency.

A 50 Potency Blizzard II is terrible and probably won't see any use in PvE from anyone but BLM anyway, or when you're FATE grinding. You'd need 4 enemies to make it worthwhile over weak moves, which is terrible when you look at the actual options the DoMs get:

WHM will have Holy, 200 Potency
SMN/SCH will have Bane and a plethora of strong DoTs to multi-DoT with anyway

Blizzard II being cross-class is in no way a trade-off for Thunder being lost. If it wasn't nerfed, there'd be a case to be made, but it is.

[T0rin]

A 50 Potency Blizzard II is terrible and probably won't see any use in PvE from anyone but BLM anyway, or when you're FATE grinding. You'd need 4 enemies to make it worthwhile over weak moves, which is terrible when you look at the actual options the DoMs get

Blizzard 2 is not a trade off for Thunder, one is AoE, one is ST. They obviously intended to take ST potential away from us, to create a situation where it would be easier for monks to shine.

But in what universe does a 50 potency AoE with no target cap not beat out Ruin, with 80 potency? I mean, that is what we are debating here, right? There were situations where you would Tri-Disaster instead of Ruin, namely if there were more than 2 targets. Now, if there is more than 1 target to hit, B2 is going to be a superior filler to Ruin on anything with more than 1 target. How is that not better?

[Sleigh]

Blizzard 2 is not a trade off for Thunder, one is AoE, one is ST. They obviously intended to take ST potential away from us, to create a situation where it would be easier for monks to shine.

But in what universe does a 50 potency AoE with no target cap not beat out Ruin, with 80 potency? I mean, that is what we are debating here, right? There were situations where you would Tri-Disaster instead of Ruin, namely if there were more than 2 targets. Now, if there is more than 1 target to hit, B2 is going to be a superior filler to Ruin on anything with more than 1 target. How is that not better?

His original quarry was, is Thunder's loss worth (nerfed) Blizzard II going in? It's Thunder vs B2, not Ruin vs B2.

[T0rin]

His original quarry was, is Thunder's loss worth (nerfed) Blizzard II going in? It's Thunder vs B2, not Ruin vs B2.

And the answer to that is a question: How many targets will you be hitting? After a point, B2 will out-DPS Thunder multi-DoTing.

And another question: How long will the targets remain alive? If the duration is too short, B2 will easily out-DPS Thunder multi-DoTing.