Huge SMN nerf: we're losing Thunder

[whoopeeragon]

Its not that we are dependent on one skill.

Its the fact that its a 10%-15% dps loss. Thats big.

Go to any DPS class, and take out one of their main rotation abilities. Just remove it entirely. No replacement, or alternate spell just remove it. Thats ALWAYS going to result in a dps loss.

And that one skill happens to be OUTSIDE OF YOUR FREAKING DISCIPLINE. That's the issue I'm getting at.

Difference is YOU haven't lost any skills in your ACN discipline. YOU have been preaching about a CC skill which is a permanent 10% dmg increase, which, as you say, NO OTHER JOB HAS.

If that one spell is worth 10-15% of your base DMG and its not part of your discipline, that's something to look at and potentially fix. Yes, you are dependent on it if its such a major loss for you, and the fact that you are so dependent on a CC skill is troublesome.

Could they have gone about other methods, like making Thunder have shorter duration time if not THM and unable to be extended using Contagion? Yes, but point remains is that, in my opinion, that skills outside of your main discipline should NEVER be such an integral part of a job's rotation to warrant such a loss

[Majidah]

but point remains is that, in my opinion, that skills outside of your main discipline should NEVER be such an integral part of a job's rotation to warrant such a loss

Have you played bard? Blood for flood and internal release are an integral part of the job and a big chunk of their DPS.
I think your opinion is based on your personal look on things and not the actual game.

[whoopeeragon]

Have you played bard? Blood for flood and internal release are an integral part of the job and a big chunk of their DPS.
I think your opinion is based on your personal look on things and not the actual game.

Exactly, and look what happened. Have you read on the changes to B4B and IR? They are now more focused on their home classes and jobs, and no longer as EFFECTIVE outside of their class and jobs.

[Majidah]

Exactly, and look what happened. Have you read on the changes to B4B and IR? They are now more focused on their home classes and jobs, and no longer as EFFECTIVE outside of their class and jobs.

No man, that's not it at all lol The B4B and IR nerf barely affected us and no one really minded it, all the drama is about Rain of Death losing -10% damage mitigation, which was core to our job. If anything they pushed us more into being a DPS job and less into support.

[whoopeeragon]

No man, that's not it at all lol The B4B and IR nerf barely affected us and no one really minded it, all the drama is about Rain of Death losing -10% damage mitigation, which was core to our job. If anything they pushed us more into being a DPS job and less into support.

Uh, ok. Doesn't change the fact that they're focusing more on their own classes and jobs and nerfing their effect as a CC skill.

[MakotoNano]

Uh, ok. Doesn't change the fact that they're focusing more on their own classes and jobs and nerfing their effect as a CC skill.

Realize this. They NERFED cc abilities as a whole. ONLY smn gets theirs REMOVED entirely. Doesn't that constitute itself as being a MAJOR Nerf? Clearly you are just being stubborn.

[whoopeeragon]

Realize this. They NERFED cc abilities as a whole. ONLY smn gets theirs REMOVED entirely. Doesn't that constitute itself as being a MAJOR Nerf? Clearly you are just being stubborn.

Stop pulling words out of my mouth. I never said it wasn't a problem. I even said they should have went about it an entirely other way asides from removing it.

I'm more worried that you have to be so dependent on a CC skill to have it so integral, that's all.

And your third statement is entirely false. I know of one job off the top of my head that also got a CC skill removed (WHM with Thunder) and maybe there were more.

[Zorzi]

Yes, but point remains is that, in my opinion, that skills outside of your main discipline should NEVER be such an integral part of a job's rotation to warrant such a loss

Except getting THM high enough to unlock SMN requires it to be high enough to have Thunder. Up to lv15 THM is just as much a part of the SMN job as ACN.