Whm receives multiple nerfs , Sch gets buffed

[Tlamila]

So, I'm really unhappy with these changes. And got flamed for it too already.
Holy - ok I'm kinda sad, it was a powergasm but I can see why the nerf. Though they should have lowered the mp cost accordingly, eh.
Cure III - I have a hard time calling it buff,from what I understood (from the million threads about that skills that popped in these months) people were only using it for the powerful critheal factor, which now is gone. Range difference I'd say it's hardly there, not sure about how much 2yalms change. Halved MP cost with 15% chance, I doubt it can give it any utility. Still a useless skill.
Medica II - yes I'm disappointed here. I see it as a nerf. Most battles are too situational to wait for a long lasting less powerful regen to top off people. I never did it even with Regen! It's not like I see someone at low health, put a regen and forget, I like seeing people safe. That mechanic could be good for offhealers, but since this game doesn't really have main healer-off healer thing...All in all I will use MedicaI more now I guess.
The thing that gets me more is they said nothing about such changes, if I knew about it I would have gotten my completions before. Now I'll do anything to get Titan today, cause I don't wanna do it with changes, but doubt it's possible.

[MBTL90]

So do you go into forums for roles you aren't familiar with and babble nonsense often or is this your first time?

I have a darklight/relic 50 conj. What on earth is the benefit of spamming medica II? It has a longer cast, takes more mana, and has less upfront healing than medica I. If you spam medica II, you just reset the hot every time, as opposed to letting it tick and attempting to get atleast some value that the hot provides.

Unless my eyes are decieving me/tooltips are lying, heres what I see for Medica and Medica II:

Medica:
2.5 sec cast
300 potency cure
14 base mp cost

Medica II
3.0 sec cast
200 potency cure
100 potency regen (pre-patch)
17 base mp cost

Even assuming same casting cost:
Cast medica II, then follow up with medica I spam
after one cast
200 potency heal
100 potency regen

after two casts
500 heal
100 regen

after three casts

800 heal
100 regen
total:
800 direct, 300 regen

Spamming medica II
200 heal
100 regen

400 heal
100 regen

600 heal
100 regen

Total: 600 healed, 300 regen

Add to the fact that Medica II takes longer to cast, and costs more mana, and I fail to see why you would ever cast a second Medica II, barring range issues. The power in Medica II is that it has the regen effect. By spamming it, you never recieve the added efficiency of having the hot do its work while you cast other spells.

[Bellybell]

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seriously, just where do you get the idea ppl spamming Medica II while regeneration effect still ticking?

[MBTL90]

seriously, just where do you get the idea ppl spamming Medica II while regeneration effect still ticking?

Because everyone is crying over Medica II nerfs? It's a tiny nerf, and yet whms are screaming bloody murder. Why else would they be so upset unless they thought spamming medica II was a good thing? In reality, medica II got a small nerf that doesn't change how whms should use it in the slightest, and a small buff that makes cure 3 almost usable. I guess whms can't get over the holy nerf...

[vpc]

Because everyone is crying over Medica II nerfs? It's a tiny nerf, and yet whms are screaming bloody murder. Why else would they be so upset unless they thought spamming medica II was a good thing? In reality, medica II got a small nerf that doesn't change how whms should use it in the slightest, and a small buff that makes cure 3 almost usable. I guess whms can't get over the holy nerf...

How is that a buff to Cure3 when it relies on a proc? You must be a real RNG master if you can get the proc in a situation where Cure3 would be beneifical. And a tiny nerf? Medica 2 is WHM bread and butter. The only thing we had on scholars were our raw aoe healing abilities and SE just shit all over that. You could easily top people from half to full hp with just 1 medica 2 in about 5-10 seconds with the regen. Now? It is worthless in large bursts, forcing us to spam Medica 1 which will consume MUCH more mana than 1 Medica 2. It is a huge nerf through and through, they should have buffed Shroud of Saints to offset this.

[Bellybell]

a nerf is a nerf, tiny or not, it's subject to person opinion. and just WHERE does it refers to everyone spamming Medica II while HoT ticking, unless it's only your own bias and assumption?

[MBTL90]

How is that a buff to Cure3 when it relies on a proc? You must be a real RNG master if you can get the proc in a situation where Cure3 would be beneifical. And a tiny nerf? Medica 2 is WHM bread and butter. The only thing we had on scholars were our raw aoe healing abilities and SE just shit all over that. You could easily top people from half to full hp with just 1 medica 2 in about 5-10 seconds with the regen. Now? It is worthless in large bursts, forcing us to spam Medica 1 which will consume MUCH more mana than 1 Medica 2. It is a huge nerf through and through, they should have buffed Shroud of Saints to offset this.

And you wonder where I saw people complaining about Medica II? The situations where you could afford to wait for a singular medica II to top everyone else off, but now no longer can due to the nerf are few and far between. Either you were quing up another heal, or the regen didn't matter all that much anyways.

Btw, I was referring to the range increase/cast decrease on cure 3, not the proc. Cure 3 is insanely efficient if you are hitting your whole raid with it. Even at 6 yards it still will be really hard to use effectively, but at least it might be worth trying now.

[Bellybell]

might i add a little opinion about this 'tiny' nerf stuff

effectively Medica II could do WHM worse than on paper.

while overall heal will be the same, the timeframe will be twice.
say, we healer use a spell to patch up party members, and we want it at that moment, not in another 30 seconds to come.
current Medica II HoT could help us topped party with a few more Medica on
and with 15 seconds timeframe it actually around the time the burst should dropped

speaking effectively, with HoT less effective, we might need to throw more Medica(more MP as a problematic MP management class) and the tick after the burst period died down just went waste down the drain

yup, tiny it is

I keep reading this statement from multiple people. The 'nerf' creates a 15% reduction in the spell, it isn't the same amount. The regen effect of the spell is not your regen potency. Currently this spell will heal for 1800ish over 15s for me, after the update it will heal for 1500ish in 30s.

Thanks for correcting! I never know how potency actual calculation. now it's look ever worse. sad

[Exphryl]

speaking effectively, with HoT less effective, we might need to throw more Medica(more MP as a problematic MP management class) and the tick after the burst period died down just went waste down the drain

yup, tiny it is

This is something I'm surprised wasn't addressed. We are being pigeon-holed in to a bland healing class. Skills that NEED reworked weren't touched appropriately. Not to mention we have terrible mana management compared to a Scholar. Going strictly off 4mans, even though my WHM is much more geared than my Scholar; I prefer my Scholar because it's FUN being able to stay in Cleric stance 100% of the time and still keep the party full. It's not just sitting back staring at health bars...

[Al_Harrington]

might i add a little opinion about this 'tiny' nerf stuff

while overall heal will be the same, the timeframe will be twice.

I keep reading this statement from multiple people. The 'nerf' creates a 15% reduction in the spell, it isn't the same amount. The regen effect of the spell is not your regen potency. Currently this spell will heal for 1800ish over 15s for me, after the update it will heal for 1500ish in 30s.

nvm see answer, at work and half looking