Whm receives multiple nerfs , Sch gets buffed

[MBTL90]

So do you go into forums for roles you aren't familiar with and babble nonsense often or is this your first time?

I have a darklight/relic 50 conj. What on earth is the benefit of spamming medica II? It has a longer cast, takes more mana, and has less upfront healing than medica I. If you spam medica II, you just reset the hot every time, as opposed to letting it tick and attempting to get atleast some value that the hot provides.

Unless my eyes are decieving me/tooltips are lying, heres what I see for Medica and Medica II:

Medica:
2.5 sec cast
300 potency cure
14 base mp cost

Medica II
3.0 sec cast
200 potency cure
100 potency regen (pre-patch)
17 base mp cost

Even assuming same casting cost:
Cast medica II, then follow up with medica I spam
after one cast
200 potency heal
100 potency regen

after two casts
500 heal
100 regen

after three casts

800 heal
100 regen
total:
800 direct, 300 regen

Spamming medica II
200 heal
100 regen

400 heal
100 regen

600 heal
100 regen

Total: 600 healed, 300 regen

Add to the fact that Medica II takes longer to cast, and costs more mana, and I fail to see why you would ever cast a second Medica II, barring range issues. The power in Medica II is that it has the regen effect. By spamming it, you never recieve the added efficiency of having the hot do its work while you cast other spells.

[Bellybell]

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seriously, just where do you get the idea ppl spamming Medica II while regeneration effect still ticking?

[MBTL90]

seriously, just where do you get the idea ppl spamming Medica II while regeneration effect still ticking?

Because everyone is crying over Medica II nerfs? It's a tiny nerf, and yet whms are screaming bloody murder. Why else would they be so upset unless they thought spamming medica II was a good thing? In reality, medica II got a small nerf that doesn't change how whms should use it in the slightest, and a small buff that makes cure 3 almost usable. I guess whms can't get over the holy nerf...

[vpc]

Because everyone is crying over Medica II nerfs? It's a tiny nerf, and yet whms are screaming bloody murder. Why else would they be so upset unless they thought spamming medica II was a good thing? In reality, medica II got a small nerf that doesn't change how whms should use it in the slightest, and a small buff that makes cure 3 almost usable. I guess whms can't get over the holy nerf...

How is that a buff to Cure3 when it relies on a proc? You must be a real RNG master if you can get the proc in a situation where Cure3 would be beneifical. And a tiny nerf? Medica 2 is WHM bread and butter. The only thing we had on scholars were our raw aoe healing abilities and SE just shit all over that. You could easily top people from half to full hp with just 1 medica 2 in about 5-10 seconds with the regen. Now? It is worthless in large bursts, forcing us to spam Medica 1 which will consume MUCH more mana than 1 Medica 2. It is a huge nerf through and through, they should have buffed Shroud of Saints to offset this.

[MBTL90]

How is that a buff to Cure3 when it relies on a proc? You must be a real RNG master if you can get the proc in a situation where Cure3 would be beneifical. And a tiny nerf? Medica 2 is WHM bread and butter. The only thing we had on scholars were our raw aoe healing abilities and SE just shit all over that. You could easily top people from half to full hp with just 1 medica 2 in about 5-10 seconds with the regen. Now? It is worthless in large bursts, forcing us to spam Medica 1 which will consume MUCH more mana than 1 Medica 2. It is a huge nerf through and through, they should have buffed Shroud of Saints to offset this.

And you wonder where I saw people complaining about Medica II? The situations where you could afford to wait for a singular medica II to top everyone else off, but now no longer can due to the nerf are few and far between. Either you were quing up another heal, or the regen didn't matter all that much anyways.

Btw, I was referring to the range increase/cast decrease on cure 3, not the proc. Cure 3 is insanely efficient if you are hitting your whole raid with it. Even at 6 yards it still will be really hard to use effectively, but at least it might be worth trying now.

[Lemuria]

And you wonder where I saw people complaining about Medica II? The situations where you could afford to wait for a singular medica II to top everyone else off, but now no longer can due to the nerf are few and far between. Either you were quing up another heal, or the regen didn't matter all that much anyways.

The Regen was the main reason I would ever cast Medica 2. Assuming you're not new to the job you already know that it's a powerful regen, capable of restoring your party to full HP in fairly quick time. Medica II > Medica 1 with full regen ticks, and is the reason it's so useful. Take away that powerful regen and you lose the greatest asset it provides.

Btw, I was referring to the range increase/cast decrease on cure 3, not the proc. Cure 3 is insanely efficient if you are hitting your whole raid with it. Even at 6 yards it still will be really hard to use effectively, but at least it might be worth trying now.

It's still junk. The radius won't hit anyone but the tank on anything worth a dime. Most boss fights where AoE is most useful, people are usually spread out to avoid damage. Only in rare circumstances has Cure 3 ever been useful, and this radius buff is too small to make a difference.

[Sebazy]

Because everyone is crying over Medica II nerfs? It's a tiny nerf, and yet whms are screaming bloody murder. Why else would they be so upset unless they thought spamming medica II was a good thing? In reality, medica II got a small nerf that doesn't change how whms should use it in the slightest, and a small buff that makes cure 3 almost usable. I guess whms can't get over the holy nerf...

Some of us are a little concerned that Medica II may not have enough HP per second to get people topped up in time after T5 fireballs. If it indeed isn't fast enough I'll likely have to switch to two casts to deal with each fireball which coupled with the virus nerf making death sentence more of an issue again, isn't really something I'm keen on.

I'm still more annoyed that I'll likely be switching back to AF2 'legs' again with 2.1 though!