So you get ONE wish...

[Mack]

As well as going to the same areas over and over for killing the same mobs.

Lol this sentence is funny considering we only stay in one zone in FFXIV. At least FFXI had variety as you progressed. What FFXIV should have done is give us more zones and more options are a given rank...so unlike FFXI, whereas at level 40 we all flocked over to Cnest, in FFXIV it should've given us 3 or 4 or 5 different options for locations. Instead, FFXIV decided they'd give us one big zone to rank up in...so lame.

[Vesperia]

Lol this sentence is funny considering we only stay in one zone in FFXIV. At least FFXI had variety as you progressed. What FFXIV should have done is give us more zones and more options are a given rank...so unlike FFXI, whereas at level 40 we all flocked over to Cnest, in FFXIV it should've given us 3 or 4 or 5 different options for locations. Instead, FFXIV decided they'd give us one big zone to rank up in...so lame.

Don't we have three areas in FFXIV to rank up in?

We have rank appropriate leves in all three starting zones, you know.

[Mack]

Don't we have three areas in FFXIV to rank up in?

We have rank appropriate leves in all three starting zones, you know.

Yes you're right, you completely botched my point...3 areas in FFXIV as opposed to the handfull we had in FFXI. My point being that FFXI pushed you forward and got you moving through zones, FFXIV doesn't. I'm not going to level in Gridania when everyone is leveling in Ul'Dah either, etc.

[Kafeen]

Yes you're right, you completely botched my point...3 areas in FFXIV as opposed to the handfull we had in FFXI. My point being that FFXI pushed you forward and got you moving through zones, FFXIV doesn't. I'm not going to level in Gridania when everyone is leveling in Ul'Dah either, etc.

This isn't because of the game, its because of the players. FFXI was the same. Around level 10 everyone went to Valkurm because everyone else went to Valkurm, despite Buburimu having more or less the same level mobs, Shakrami and Korroloka having some even better options. It was quite rare you found parties willing to go with anything apart from what everyone else was doing but the ones where you did were some of the best you got.

FFXIV actually does try to encourage you to go to other regions by offering a lower number of levequests at camps than people can accept but people still stay in the same zone and just go to a different, similar looking camp with lower level leves then bump up the difficulty level.

I wouldn't class FFXIV's zone the same as other games like FFXI, they're a lot bigger, more like FFXI's regions but seamless. Admittedly though, the are a bit short on diversity over the zone. This makes levelling at one camp very much the same as levelling at another. I know people say this is because of the resource overhead and smaller, more diverse zones would be better but this isn't the same. You can go seamlessly into the underground dungeons on the maps, these are very different to terrain above ground. It would be nice to see similar methods employed to see more diversity from one camp to another as well as seeing a more of a change in the types of mobs around the camps.

[Mack]

This isn't because of the game, its because of the players.

Sure in FFXI this was the case but in FFXIV you aren't really given many options are you? 3 maps which you can rank up to 50 on...forget the fact that on those same maps there are crystals that probably give you R50 and possibly up to R70 leves but those leves haven't been released yet. The game could've had different zones instead and pushed you in certain directions and given you options, like there could've been 3 different zones (one in Thanalan, La Noscea, Shroud region) for R10 players, and it moves you to new zones for R20 players, etc.

FFXIV actually does try to encourage you to go to other regions by offering a lower number of levequests at camps than people can accept but people still stay in the same zone and just go to a different, similar looking camp with lower level leves then bump up the difficulty level.

..and hell no it doesn't. At R30 I can still make a ton of SP running R20 leves on higher star difficulties, and this isn't to mention leve linking. The game doesn't encourage anything than what its encouraging now which is staying in one region and pumping out leves at camps nearby...such as Haltali and Broken Water, there's 6 leves and you can do Levinshower making it 7 and not to mention fail and repeat...the game is horribly designed.

[Kafeen]

..and hell no it doesn't. At R30 I can still make a ton of SP running R20 leves on higher star difficulties, and this isn't to mention leve linking. The game doesn't encourage anything than what its encouraging now which is staying in one region and pumping out leves at camps nearby...such as Haltali and Broken Water, there's 6 leves and you can do Levinshower making it 7 and not to mention fail and repeat...the game is horribly designed.

Which is exactly what I said. You choose to stay in the same region doing lower ranked leves and boosting the difficulty rather than travelling to other regions. If you don't want to stay in the same region all the time, don't. You shouldn't need the game to force you into changing to a different zone.

[Alerion]

Can I wish that this wasn't the worst mmo ever partially made?

[Mack]

Which is exactly what I said. You choose to stay in the same region doing lower ranked leves and boosting the difficulty rather than travelling to other regions. If you don't want to stay in the same region all the time, don't. You shouldn't need the game to force you into changing to a different zone.

Once again you ignore everything I said and repeat the same comment: let me bold it it might help; I party with people where people congregate to, I am not going to solo leves in Gridania and Limsa Lominsa because no one else hardly ever plays there...its simple. You were saying its not the game's fault, it doesn't encourage this type of behavior. I have told you that it does, it doesn't do anything to move away from this behavior because it doesn't provide you with incentive. I know I can go to Limsa and do leves, its no efficient however since I will most likely be soloing the leves and this is the game's problem not mine and not everyone else (and if the game is giving me 500 SP a pop literally doing Devilet Inside (i.e., R20 Horizon leve) at R37, why should i waste time or anima to run/teleport to Limsa to do something that will most likely give me less SP anyway?). IMO leves stink, they need to remove the difficulty options, make them solo only and make real content.

And at the end of the day, my initial argument had to do with constant progression from zone to zone which FFXI had...3 possible different zones in FFXIV don't fix this.

[Mack]

I don't follow the mainstream a lot. I will go to Ul'dah at times, but when it comes to leve taking I will rotate around all 3 starting regions. Gridania is by far the emptiest, but I still see a couple people around in Limsa.

Yes, I do it funny that for FFXIV people are following similar patterns.

Let me put it this way. The way the game is set up now it sucks soloing leves...so I'm not gonna stand around LL and Gridania shouting for a leve party when its hard enough to make one in Ul'Dah. People aren't "following a pattern" their hand is pretty much forced in this case. I can't convince hordes of people to spread out over 3 cities, the game has to do that for you. My point that I was trying to make with you was that you said that FFXI forced you to go to the same areas to level up...FFXIV does a lot worse of a job.