Can we please get separate stat allocations for SMN/SCH?

[Leon_Stormrage]

. 15 points is pretty damn significant when you get to Coil.

Nop, it isn't...
I am not defending the SE design. But I am defending the fact that 30 points on one attribute are not going to let you useless, even more you will not see the difference.
A lot of sch/whm re roll all his points to vit and they heal perfectly fine all the turns

[Roris]

I honestly don't know if I would've made it with less mind, from what I've experienced it, it had zero leniency for error.

That's only because they probably have full or close to full iLV.90, it does get easier with gear and it allows you bit more breathing room, of course you can't replace skill with gear but the extra stats do help in the end. It's a bit unfair saying 30 points don't matter considering not everyone starts doing Coil with level 90 and it was designed or at least meant to be challenged with level 80 or at least 70 gear in mind before they screwed up and didn't finish CT in time, though Darklight alone should be sufficient for the first couple of turns if you do everything perfectly.

Also just because someone will mention this, in practice your main should be the most geared and that's the one you should be taking to Coil and by now your main should have at least a couple of Myth pieces, but some also forget that 1)new people start playing the game all the time and it takes around a week or two to get to endgame and gear up for it, coincidentally the same people that keep saying the game is fine and we get new subs each day and the game won't go F2P, so those new players can't really have many Myth pieces to start doing Coil, thus those extra 30 points do help a lot and 2)sometimes you have to shuffle a party around and someone will have to take their second best geared class which is probably lacking in ilv 90 gear too, thus those extra 30 points also help.

[Leon_Stormrage]

I am not saying that those points do not help, I am saying that those points are not extremely necessary to clear coil...

[Alhanelem]

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Oh GIVE me a BREAK.

YOU. DO. NOT. NEED. TO. HAVE. THE. 30. STAT. POINTS. FOR. BOTH. JOBS. TO. PLAY. THEM. BOTH.

So your cures will be a little lower or your dots will be a little lower. IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL. Both stats are also functionally usable by both jobs, so splitting them is reasonable. Let me put this another way. People with 30 points in 1 stat with all ilvl90 gear have over 500 in their main stat. I made it to turn 5 on SMN with far less than 470 (which would be without the 30 points). You can play ALL content on BOTH jobs, regardless of which one you spent the stats for. My stats are allocated for SMN, because it's the job I enjoy playing most. I can still use SCH when I really need it, and I've yet to see a group wipe because my bonus stat points weren't put into Mind.

There is no reason to be raging about this. They want you to make a choice about your character. The choice is not permanent and can be undone. There is no reason you can't make a choice like this. Character decisions contribute to the uniqueness of your character.

There is no ogod reason to be all RRRAAAGGEEEEE! about this. It's a MINOR thing at WORST. If it's completely torturing your mind that you aren't the NUMBER ONE PLAYER on both jobs, then make an alt.

Hell, I know some people reset all their points into Vitality for Turn 5 to make fireball easier to deal with. Clearly, the bonus stat points in your main stat is NOT required.

[Rapoza]

Big dea.... As a warrior i 15/15 str and vit, no complaints here... And warrior is supposed to be the "gimped" class

[Axidrain]

okay so let me put it in terms of gear here. 30 stats = more than the mnd/int stat bonuses u get from your ilvl 90 accessories combined if ur upgrading it from ilvl 70. its not about yes u can do it even with the gimped stats its about why? its the only class thats forces u to gimp one class for another.

[Zfz]

This is not "choice" at all.

A WAR deciding between STR and VIT is choice. He can "enhance" his character either towards STR or towards VIT.

An ACN deciding between INT and MND is not choice. He can, as SMN, either enhance his character by going to INT, or weaken his character by going MND.
Similarly, as SCH, he has to either enhance or weaken.

Choice = two options that both enhance, but in different ways
ACN = always be enhancing one and weakening the other

[Djeserit]

okay so let me put it in terms of gear here. 30 stats = more than the mnd/int stat bonuses u get from your ilvl 90 accessories combined if ur upgrading it from ilvl 70. its not about yes u can do it even with the gimped stats its about why? its the only class thats forces u to gimp one class for another.

... for now.

Be glad we even HAVE a 2nd job option for a single class. We are the first to get it, and with that we also get to see some of the drawbacks.

[P_Wing]

30 MND equals upgrading 5 darklight accessories (+20) and a shirt (+9) to Allagan (in terms of MND stat only), saying it does not matter means you think doing coil/buying AF2 set is pointless.

[Highlanderx]

This is not "choice" at all.

A WAR deciding between STR and VIT is choice. He can "enhance" his character either towards STR or towards VIT.

An ACN deciding between INT and MND is not choice. He can, as SMN, either enhance his character by going to INT, or weaken his character by going MND.
Similarly, as SCH, he has to either enhance or weaken.

Choice = two options that both enhance, but in different ways
ACN = always be enhancing one and weakening the other

Your still enhancing, you act a SMN will never be casting Physick or a SCH wont be using any attack spells.