BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

[Pellegri]

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you really think BRD has the lowest single target DPS, or you have played with some incredibly horrible BRDs. I've never seen a MNK/DRG even come remotely close to the DPS a BRD can put out in turn 1,2, and 4. To even suggest DRG has higher single target DPS than BRD is laughable.

Can give you turns 2/4 but turn 1 is pretty laughable if a melee isn't blowing up the bard. Literally the only time a melee has to get off one boss is when they switch over to the other to burn it, none of either snakes aoes require melee to actually position themselves away from the boss so they can't continue damage. Unless ofcourse a group is doing turn 1 the real way where they continue to bring slimes into the bosses throughout the fight(which would make bard above melee), in which case lol.

[BrandoH]

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you really think BRD has the lowest single target DPS, or you have played with some incredibly horrible BRDs. I've never seen a MNK/DRG even come remotely close to the DPS a BRD can put out in turn 1,2, and 4. To even suggest DRG has higher single target DPS than BRD is laughable.

I'm sorry you've been playing with bad melee. They're not a faceroll class like BRD/BLM. But we do have the worst single-target DPS.

[Luso]

Why they didn't just make bard a pure support and toss ranger into the mix as a damage dealer is weird.

What happens if they release ranger? Are they going to change bard? Right now bard plays much more like a ranged damage dealer than a musician.

[Lex_Luger]

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you really think BRD has the lowest single target DPS, or you have played with some incredibly horrible BRDs. I've never seen a MNK/DRG even come remotely close to the DPS a BRD can put out in turn 1,2, and 4. To even suggest DRG has higher single target DPS than BRD is laughable.

Sorry, but you are very very wrong, and obviously haven't played with geared melee dps/blms. Yes, BRD absolutely shines around ilvl 70 and especially in AK/Ifrit/Garuda/Titan. Start doing progression content. We have some GREAT bards in my FC (former WoW gladiators... these guys can play), and they are equally geared to our melee dps. And still, on turn5, our melee DPS have the most output. Stop talking about things you aren't qualified to speak of.

[Pellegri]

Why they didn't just make bard a pure support and toss ranger into the mix as a damage dealer is weird.

What happens if they release ranger? Are they going to change bard? Right now bard plays much more like a ranged damage dealer than a musician.

My guess would be if they ever do release ranger, they will make bard full on support along with adding something like a time mage and whatever else to go with it(this will also add a 5th slot for dungeons which will be support). They'll give ranger all the moves bard has(minus songs) so there's no real difference between the 2 currently and people won't feel like they're playing something completely different, they will also make it so all current bards get ranger right off the bat.

Only an assumption ofcourse as if they did make support classes they'd then have to rework the battle system and make elemental attacks matter where there are mobs that resist certain attacks, this would be where support comes in along with all it's other moves and gets rid of some of that resistance. Because a bards songs in their current form are laughable if an entire class was remade to work around just those few.

[ByakkoSeven]

Add a cast bar on Heavy Shot, add a short cast bar on straight shot, Heavy Shot procs = instant Straight shot.
Buff the dmg done by these two attacks by ~3-5%. and change literally nothing else. And you will have resolved all of bards issues. Give them a penalty to constantly move, but let them scale better. Win win.

[Pellegri]

Add a cast bar on Heavy Shot, add a short cast bar on straight shot, Heavy Shot procs = instant Straight shot.
Buff the dmg done by these two attacks by ~3-5%. and change literally nothing else. And you will have resolved all of bards issues. Give them a penalty to constantly move, but let them scale better. Win win.

Honestly if they really want to balance us around not moving all the time all it would take is making it so we do less than we currently do while moving(5-10% or so), but more than we currently do while standing still(5% or so). This would let us compete with everything else if we stood still most of the time and then would keep us away from feeling like we always have to move by giving us less damage. I don't see the old WoW hunter model working for this game though until they fix the buff lag issues(where sometimes a buff gets more time than it says it does) or even make buffs extremely obvious to players when they happen or fall off(currently that aspect is laughable).

None of this would really kill the class or even hurt it as skilled bards would still be able to shine ahead of bards that can't get used to the change. It also wouldn't make us better than anything else currently when the mages already do 5%+ more than us in equal gear/skill and the melee do close to that and will do even more after they get buffed.

[ByakkoSeven]

Honestly if they really want to balance us around not moving all the time all it would take is making it so we do less than we currently do while moving(5-10% or so), but more than we currently do while standing still(5% or so). This would let us compete with everything else if we stood still most of the time and then would keep us away from feeling like we always have to move by giving us less damage. I don't see the old WoW hunter model working for this game though until they fix the buff lag issues(where sometimes a buff gets more time than it says it does) or even make buffs extremely obvious to players when they happen or fall off(currently that aspect is laughable).

I thought about this, and the delay in buffs/debuffs still take into account during this method. Just it only affects you this way, there's going to be a lot of cases where you'll be standing still after moving and it'll still register your attacks as moving. Same problem actually plagues BLM with their umbral stacks when they switch, it bugs the next cast unless they wait the delayed second and a half or so. Otherwise, I like your solution better, but I don't think it'll be as consistent with the current delay issues.

Same problems I guess on both sides? iono

[Kletian]

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about if you really think BRD has the lowest single target DPS, or you have played with some incredibly horrible BRDs. I've never seen a MNK/DRG even come remotely close to the DPS a BRD can put out in turn 1,2, and 4. To even suggest DRG has higher single target DPS than BRD is laughable.

I was taking point 4 as Pelligri was arguing that Bards are already the weakest and anything more would gimp them. If however, Bard do, gear for gear, the same single target Dps as Monks and dragoons then they SHOULD be nerfed (unless the melee buffed planned will remedy the difference.)

[Exstal]

Why they didn't just make bard a pure support and toss ranger into the mix as a damage dealer is weird.

What happens if they release ranger? Are they going to change bard? Right now bard plays much more like a ranged damage dealer than a musician.

Just look at what they do with Musketeer. That, is why they won't release Ranger. Besides the fact Ranger is just Archer.