BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

[Lecreuset]

The following is from personal experience:

If by pieces of the puzzle you mean, Silence and Songs.. For turn 2, 2 Paladins or even a monk(Same for turn 1 ADS) can do this. Songs eventually become obsolete with gear and would probably be better for the group to bring another Summoner or Blackmage. I don't need to use ballad at all even in t4 and t5. The class is very mobile but the dps is subpar. Can't beat the monk or blackmage in my static group at all(according to FFXIVAPP atleast). They're pretty good players. Yeah I have been ahead of the dps but only when I had to pug turn 1-4 for one reason or another lol.

[Noata]

Pellegri,

Your providing misleading information by mixing facts with opinions. Yes SE has taken player input for new features. they have never taken feedback for balance. in fact Yoshi-P's letter points to the WAR being adjusted due to performance at coil. as well as bard being adjusted due to taking away from other jobs

though it could be based off player cries, most of what he has mentioned was entirely directed at balance for end game. as stated earlier, most class balance is done through statistical gathering. not what players think.

During the previous LIVE letter I made a comment about adjustments to bard, which I think many of you are worried about. The reasoning for adjustments, as mentioned previously, is that bards tend to take away from other jobs that could be used in certain instances.

We recently released details outlining adjustments for warrior, but this was mainly to address an imbalance in the Binding Coil of Bahamut where paladins are heavily preferred.

[Pooky]

Why exactly are bard changes this great mystery from SE that they have to only drop cryptic clues and hints about them? Less than a week out, is it too much to ask for some actual details other than conjecture, vague interpretations of translations and secret messages? Its quite annoying.

[axemtitanium]

Oh no, my FOTM is being nerfed. Bards want to know exactly what is getting changed so they can plan to level something else. Guess what? If you don't want to ever become obsolete, play a healer.

[Pellegri]

Oh no, my FOTM is being nerfed. Bards want to know exactly what is getting changed so they can plan to level something else. Guess what? If you don't want to ever become obsolete, play a healer.

Or you could actually read any of the 90% or so of the posts here where people are asking what the changes are because they want to know if Square is making us worse than we currently are(which is below every other dps, including blm which I'd guess you don't seem to think so). The change they're making for blm in your case doesn't exactly screw over your ability to do high dmg and still compete extremely well with the other 3 dps(not including bard). There's multiple changes however they could make for bard that would screw over our ability to compete at all(like taking invig away as a cross class).

Taking invig away would kill the class alone. So far the only thing that's been said is "we aren't taking away any main abilities for bard", well you know invig could not be thought of as a "main ability" when everyone seems to think "oh you could just use tp song instead, surely that wouldn't gut your dps for 20secs every 2mins and make you well below everything else".

[Rose_Vilehart]

*whiny rant*

so as a test i got through the whole game with a bard that doesn't use invig.......my FC says im one of the best dps we have and coil runs usually go smoothly and i don't use invig, what does that say about the ability?
you have no faith in the bard.

[Phai]

Greetings, everyone!

Based on fan translations of the interview Famitsu held with Yoshi-P recently, there seems to be a misconception about what was said regarding bard adjustments in 2.1. Contrary to the rumor that an ability would be taken away from bard and moved to a different job, bard will not be losing a main ability.

This confusion appears to stem from Yoshi-P comparing party formations to a puzzle and the jobs being the puzzle pieces. The goal for balancing the game is to make sure that no single job could complete the puzzle alone, and he feels that bard was given too many pieces of the puzzle.

Thank u for that information Camate.

But could it be a note to self for the future to maybe wait releasing a "adjustment/nerf" indication to a class until some good information can be shared?
I think all would benefit from this, since both forums and ingame community has been a bit "toxid" over this issue due to lack of information.

Anyway, looking forward to see what u guys have planed

[des]

so as a test i got through the whole game with a bard that doesn't use invig.......my FC says im one of the best dps we have and coil runs usually go smoothly and i don't use invig, what does that say about the ability?
you have no faith in the bard.

*goes to check profile of awesome bard*

Oh wow, you just recently got Coil access, seem to have cleared T1 but nothing beyond that (well you got no Turn clear achievement at all). Nice to talk to someone that knowledgable .

Anyway back to topic, I guess we will loose Invigorate which kind of sucks. It's not like you need it for most of the game, but there are some points in the game when some extra TP gain comes in handy like AOE situations (WP, T4) or some longer drawn out fights (Titan, Twintania).

[ReplicaX]

they have never taken feedback for balance. in fact Yoshi-P's letter points to the WAR being adjusted due to performance at coil.

They originally said WAR was perfectly fine in Coil from their original testing. The Community informed them multiple times that they were wrong when comparing PLD on Cad Buff Stacks alone. They continued and said, you just need to figure out the Job. Then they tested again and saw they were wrong.

Devs aren't perfect either and stuff gets overlooked. That's the whole point of a community and forum.

[ChaozK]

They originally said WAR was perfectly fine in Coil from their original testing. The Community informed them multiple times that they were wrong when comparing PLD on Cad Buff Stacks alone. They continued and said, you just need to figure out the Job. Then they tested again and saw they were wrong.

Devs aren't perfect either and stuff gets overlooked. That's the whole point of a community and forum.

I think its fair to say that them saying WARs are fine was damage control most likely because the patch was still far away at that point.