so i was wondering about Whm and WP

[HoroBoro]

Interesting stuffs

Hmm - I literally do not remember the last time I was grudged in that fight. I did remember I was BLM 2-shotting them from across the room without getting grudged a while back. I assume that they grudge you if you're really far away, and then also move. Maybe not - I can't say I was ever baiting for it.

Also - I'm pretty sure the little tons are on a separate aggro table from normal mobs as I've never had them aggro me as WHM (unless I was Holying them in which case they were dead). I dk - maybe it's cause I'm in cleric stance casting Holy/Aero/Stoneskin/Regen the whole fight, and thus not generating very much hate.

[LiadansWhisper]

Hmm - I literally do not remember the last time I was grudged in that fight. I did remember I was BLM 2-shotting them from across the room without getting grudged a while back. I assume that they grudge you if you're really far away, and then also move. Maybe not - I can't say I was ever baiting for it.

I've seen it happen if I was on the outer edge of the circle, and they were by the boss. It's not consistent, and what they judge as "ranged" seems to vary. I've seen a Bard, for instance, kite them around the room and never have them cast it once. But I've had tonberries by the boss (with the tank not AoE tanking and no AoE going out from the DPS) suddenly turn and cast grudge at me standing just inside the watery area to the left of the boss (facing from the door, mind you). I still really think the OP is leaving stuff out.

Also - I'm pretty sure the little tons are on a separate aggro table from normal mobs as I've never had them aggro me as WHM (unless I was Holying them in which case they were dead). I dk - maybe it's cause I'm in cleric stance casting Holy/Aero/Stoneskin/Regen the whole fight, and thus not generating very much hate.

They build threat just like anything else. However, Regen isn't going to pull them off a tank AoE tanking, and neither is Stoneskin. A crit Cure II on a tank that just took a grudge will, however, get their attention (especially if, for whatever reason, the tank goes down very low and you have to cast two in a row). It's less of an issue now with geared tanks/tanks that know what their buttons do, but you do still see it from time to time with inexperienced tanks (regardless of gear, really, since there's a lot of people out there with Relics that have little to no experience with their class) or if, as happened to my group earlier (I wasn't healing, lol), our tank DC'd. >.>