CT loot lockout and the direction of this game will probably cause our FC to quit

[rappa]

Then, the objetive of the game is, leveling all class to 50, wear full darklight meanwhile one class clear Coil?.
DL MNK = 3480 philo
DL tank = 3480 philo
DL Heal = 3480 philo
DL Caster = 3480 philo
DL DRG = 3480 philo
DL jewelry tank/heal/caster = 1500x3 philo
DL MNK/DRG = 3000 philo

It's around 25k = 250 runs to AK, WP and CP. Call me crazy if i don't wanna do it.

If you want equip one class in CT, you will need 5 week(if you are lucky).

2.1 Bring a lot of content. Yes i confirm that, but, what happen if you don't get your item from CT on Monday? The item lookout "force"(i say force, but you can do it or not) to repeat CT other day, and constantly until you get one. it can be frustrating.

Try to equip the 6 specc. It's not fun.

Coil have a lookout, but once you clear, you don't need think about it. You wait to the other week to defeat the bosses and pray that enormous snake/ball/chest drop your gear. Or you have the option to use mytho to replace that item.

[Duelle]

I've said it in another thread, but favoring one poor loot system over another poor loot system really isn't a win for us players. Choosing the lesser of two evils rarely is.

For the sake of reference, 1.0 had you speed running dungeons and to get the most amount of chests you had to clear the whole thing in under...I think it was 18 minutes, most of which you spent exploiting mob leashes and standing in glowy beacons. Because content could be spammed, drops were made super random to the point you could get several inventory slots worth of dark matter before ever seeing a piece of gear.

Compare that to weekly lockouts, which are there to control the amount of gear that enters the game as well as how rare said gear is (which some people were clammoring for in 1.0 and ARR beta). I can't speak for others, but the latter always meant that someone in the raid was getting an upgrade, as opposed to going the way of the literal Skinner Box where maybe you get something, but most of the time you get nothing. That alone puts it miles ahead of the former.

To the person talking about FFXI...do you know how long it took for all that horizontal endgame progression to come into being? There was NOTHING endgame until the first expansion and it took a full year before Dynamis was fully implemented. When the game launched here Dynamis hadn't even come out if I remember right. It was added the next patch when the level cap hit 60. For upwards of six months all you could do was grind City Dynamis for a miniscule chance of getting your gear drop which would likely get ninja lotted by your dickhead LS leader. Sky and the ground Gods didn't exist until the patch that concluded the Zilart storyline. There were of course BCNMs scattered in there if you cared to grind seals. From there all you had was HNM spawns, the same Dyna grind with new and more aggravating zones and Sky until close to the end of the Chains of Promathia patches when Limbus and Sea were introduced. Take off the nostalgia glasses.

I like you.

[Tenku]

You say only elitists have every job with full DL and u can't bother with that, yet your altitude clearly states you want competition and cant stand "anything more than 9 minute WP runs"...*scuffs* oh the irony. You're like a wanabe Elitist (by your own definition of being competitive) then by your own words since you dont have the ability to grind out the rest of the gear for your alt jobs.

I geared all my alts with AK gears which allows me to do every single content in the game anyways. It's not like I can bring my alts into Coil since I can only do it once to gear my main. I was going to do the same with CT gears, but there's going to be a lockout, meaning if I get my piece on Monday, I am done for the rest of the week. There's also a lockout on the Extreme Primal fights. Would you rather me say only idiots have every job with full DL? Honestly, what is the point of gearing ALL your alts with full DL when you're not going to run Coil with them anyways? You're locked out remember?

[Mcshiggs]

Honestly, what is the point of gearing ALL your alts with full DL when you're not going to run Coil with them anyways? You're locked out remember?

We could ask you why you run Coil. What are you gearing your main job up for? There is nothing past Coil remember?
Maybe people want the option to run Coil on different classes, maybe their group is heavy on physical dps, and they are gearing up a mage class they can swap to help with turn 4. Maybe they are gearing other jobs for future content, because there will be more patches and even expansions in the future. Maybe they like getting rid of all the non blue items in their armory chest. Maybe they see it as a challenge to not only level, but also gear all their jobs as best they can.

[Tenku]

We could ask you why you run Coil. What are you gearing your main job up for? There is nothing past Coil remember?
Maybe people want the option to run Coil on different classes, maybe their group is heavy on physical dps, and they are gearing up a mage class they can swap to help with turn 4. Maybe they are gearing other jobs for future content, because there will be more patches and even expansions in the future. Maybe they like getting rid of all the non blue items in their armory chest. Maybe they see it as a challenge to not only level, but also gear all their jobs as best they can.

CT is an alt dungeon and the gears are better than DL gears and you can complete it with AK gears.

I mean... if DL gears can be put into armoury or be upgraded to something better... I would definitely get DL gears for all my alts. As it stands now, it's a god damn waste of time because of the Coil lockout. I've been doing Coil since the 2nd or 3rd week since release and STILL haven't gotten my main fully geared with Allagan drops yet. CT is a slight upgrade compared to Coil since it's a loot lockout, but people don't realize that even though it's a "guaranteed" drop, it's not really guaranteed that you'll get your piece. You can probably run it 100 times in a week and if you're unlucky, you won't get your piece of gear. That's why I think the lockout is unnecessary. I mean... if it drops gears equivalent to Allagan gears or better, then the lockout is definitely warranted.

[StrejdaTom]

beyond fates the open world is dead which is a shame its pretty. I miss going to dungeon sites made it feel more like an adventure. see everyone out side of the howling eye resing dead parties. the world feels disconnected from the players. the world is just a interactive hub from duty finder

Imo thats why they are adding treasure hunting and those beastmen quests.
It will make us spend more time in the open world.

[FMElan]

2.1 Bring a lot of content. Yes i confirm that, but, what happen if you don't get your item from CT on Monday? The item lookout "force"(i say force, but you can do it or not) to repeat CT other day, and constantly until you get one. it can be frustrating.

Uh...huh...

Y'know that's the same deal every dungeon is, right? I mean, did you want to reach the end of Crystal Tower and have them give you all the gear on a silver platter? Seriously, if the lockout wasn't once a week, the main difference is that you would be able to run Crystal Tower 100 times in a week and fully equip all of your Jobs(if you're lucky), and then never have to touch it again.

Edit: Apparently, avoiding doing my Psych paper all day has made me cap my posts. Therefor, I will unfortunately have to ninja this one into my most recent post in this topic. My apologies, Tenku, if you don't notice this:

The problem with loot lockout is that there's no motivation to do it once you've gotten your loot for the week. That means... if you've gotten your loot on Monday and your FC mate asks for people to help on Tuesday, all they will get for a reply is cricket noises. If the gear in CT was the best gear and was for my FC member's main class, then I would definitely help even after I've gotten my piece for the week already. However.... CT gears are for alts because they aren't as good as AF+1 or Allagan.

It's basically content being added for the newer players.... not the players who has been playing since release.

First...that sounds like an awfully damn selfish attitude to me. You might want to look into a different Company if this isn't your policy. Probably somewhere more friendly. As for myself, and the members of my Free Company, we're more than willing to help each other, or our friends from other Companies grab the gear they want from the dungeons they want to get it in. That's why we all have Ifrit weapons now, and are working on getting Garuda's.

Second, please speak more for yourself here. I've been playing ARR since Beta 3 and I pre-ordered the game, yet I haven't even started to get into Darklight proper yet. There are a good number of people playing "since release" that haven't outlevelled Crystal Tower's gear yet.

[Tenku]

Uh...huh...

Y'know that's the same deal every dungeon is, right? I mean, did you want to reach the end of Crystal Tower and have them give you all the gear on a silver platter? Seriously, if the lockout wasn't once a week, the main difference is that you would be able to run Crystal Tower 100 times in a week and fully equip all of your Jobs(if you're lucky), and then never have to touch it again.

The problem with loot lockout is that there's no motivation to do it once you've gotten your loot for the week. That means... if you've gotten your loot on Monday and your FC mate asks for people to help on Tuesday, all they will get for a reply is cricket noises. If the gear in CT was the best gear and was for my FC member's main class, then I would definitely help even after I've gotten my piece for the week already. However.... CT gears are for alts because they aren't as good as AF+1 or Allagan.

It's basically content being added for the newer players.... not the players who has been playing since release.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

oh? are the same people still complaining about things that are in every MMORPG? This circle never ends does it? Fact is, the % of people posting at all on these forums is just a small fraction of the player base, and an even smaller fraction of that are the loud complainers. "Doom sayers", "I quiters", people claiming this game has to have this or that or it will fail, or the game has already failed, when all other facts pretty much point in the other direction...... *sigh* it is funny, yet sad at the same time.

[Tenku]

oh? are the same people still complaining about things that are in every MMORPG? This circle never ends does it? Fact is, the % of people posting at all on these forums is just a small fraction of the player base, and an even smaller fraction of that are the loud complainers. "Doom sayers", "I quiters", people claiming this game has to have this or that or it will fail, or the game has already failed, when all other facts pretty much point in the other direction...... *sigh* it is funny, yet sad at the same time.

List another game that has a loot lockout for gear that is not the best in the game.