CT loot lockout and the direction of this game will probably cause our FC to quit

[Kailea_Nagisa]

oh? are the same people still complaining about things that are in every MMORPG? This circle never ends does it? Fact is, the % of people posting at all on these forums is just a small fraction of the player base, and an even smaller fraction of that are the loud complainers. "Doom sayers", "I quiters", people claiming this game has to have this or that or it will fail, or the game has already failed, when all other facts pretty much point in the other direction...... *sigh* it is funny, yet sad at the same time.

[Tenku]

oh? are the same people still complaining about things that are in every MMORPG? This circle never ends does it? Fact is, the % of people posting at all on these forums is just a small fraction of the player base, and an even smaller fraction of that are the loud complainers. "Doom sayers", "I quiters", people claiming this game has to have this or that or it will fail, or the game has already failed, when all other facts pretty much point in the other direction...... *sigh* it is funny, yet sad at the same time.

List another game that has a loot lockout for gear that is not the best in the game.

[Kenka]

List another game that has a loot lockout for gear that is not the best in the game.

Isn't this the way WoW's Looking for Raid handles loot?

[Mcshiggs]

List another game that has a loot lockout for gear that is not the best in the game.

How about World of Warcraft, Heroic dungeons have a single day lockout, some if not all older raids are still on the 3 day or weekly reset I think, and then current raids, Normal raids have a week long lockout, even though gear from the heroic versions is better.

[Tenku]

How about World of Warcraft, Heroic dungeons have a single day lockout, some if not all older raids are still on the 3 day or weekly reset I think, and then current raids, Normal raids have a week long lockout, even though gear from the heroic versions is better.

I never played World of Warcraft. Can you list another please?

[Mcshiggs]

I never played World of Warcraft. Can you list another please?

So the most popular and most played MMO isn't enough for you, I'm pretty sure Everquest 2 had zone lockout timers, and they had to put a hard time in them because people were exploiting the soft timers, even on loot that wasn't the absolute best in the game.

[Tenku]

So the most popular and most played MMO isn't enough for you, I'm pretty sure Everquest 2 had zone lockout timers, and they had to put a hard time in them because people were exploiting the soft timers, even on loot that wasn't the absolute best in the game.

WoW is the most popular and most played MMO because it's WoW and a Blizzard game. The game got it's record subscription numbers because of it's massive following and fans for over 2 decades. We definitely don't want Final Fantasy XIV: ARR to turn out like WoW. We definitely want FFXIV:ARR to start out like WoW.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/...on-subscribers

Or do you really want to see FFXIV:ARR to take a nose dive in subscriptions each quarter?

[Djeserit]

We definitely don't want Final Fantasy XIV: ARR to turn out like WoW.

You dont want the game to last 10+ years, slowly gaining subs for the first 6-7, only losing about 30% over the next 3, and still being massively sustainable?

[Mcshiggs]

WoW is the most popular and most played MMO because it's WoW and a Blizzard game. The game got it's record subscription numbers because of it's massive following and fans for over 2 decades. We definitely don't want Final Fantasy XIV: ARR to turn out like WoW. We definitely want FFXIV:ARR to start out like WoW.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/11/...on-subscribers

Or do you really want to see FFXIV:ARR to take a nose dive in subscriptions each quarter?

I was pointing out that limiting loot is common in MMO's, like you asked someone to do, and I would be thrilled if after nearly a decade this game was supporting over 5 million subscriptions. No matter how you look at it, they did a lot of things right with WoW. Now your original post about not understanding the loot lockout for Crystal Tower, let me explain it to you. Crystal Tower and Coil were both meant to be put out side by side at release, both "raid" type encounters. Crystal Tower was and will continue to be the natural progression toward Coil, but since Tower had to be delayed, this got thrown off a bit, and confused some of the more simple minded players. With the following patches, they will alternate between Coil and Tower expansions, each time giving another tier of gear, to set you up for the next patch or expansion. Crystal Tower is meant to be the more "casual" of the two raids because of the duty finder, and not needing to set up statics to run it. Coil is the more "hardcore" of the two and better group play and communication is required, therefore no duty finder. But still BOTH are raid content, and they don't want the raid gears to be able to be farmed like dungeon content, even if it's not the current best, raid gear is still an achievement, and something they want us to work towards .