WHM could use tweaks to stoneskin

[sharazisspecial]

Try doing Pug HM titan with your relic+1 as whm. So dumb. You can barely cast anything and still be 2nd on hate list for 50% of the fight.

Whm threat seems to be tied to their weapon level? Or perhaps healing per cast? Like a whm who heals 750 per medica would pull more threat in 1 cast then a whm who heals 500 per medica but does it twice.

The problem with whm threat is it sullies their niche of being a burst aoe healer. Because we have to hold back on aoe healing for 50% of the fight.

Yes Twintania does kind of make you feel your whm tools are inferior to the SCH. >_>

[Freakiie]

Obviously a not Relic tank is going to have a harder time keeping aggro against a +1 Relic. I've done Titan HM myself plenty and unless the Whm starts spamming Medica II during the early phases (like M2 for first stomp, seriously?) I've never seen the tank have issues holding aggro. The problem comes when you spam Medica II way too early causing massive overheal on the entire party.

[Schmitty]

If stoneskin were to be instant cast wouldn't that just solidify scholar as the stronger healer?

Lustrate > stoneskin (instant cast ver) > lustrate, all the while you can move and heal with Eos/Selene.

[sharazisspecial]

If stoneskin were to be instant cast wouldn't that just solidify scholar as the stronger healer?

Lustrate > stoneskin (instant cast ver) > lustrate, all the while you can move and heal with Eos/Selene.

More like adlo>stoneskin> *boss uses death sentence*>lustrate

Yes the problem with stoneskin for tank healing is its cast time. 3 seconds too long to be used as a tank migitation tool. You don't have time to pre stoneskin and time a cure 2 .Normally the boss breaks the stoneskin before using its tank killer ability.

A sch can always get adloquium off before tank killer and use lustrate to heal straight after the damage taken.

Obviously a not Relic tank is going to have a harder time keeping aggro against a +1 Relic. I've done Titan HM myself plenty and unless the Whm starts spamming Medica II during the early phases (like M2 for first stomp, seriously?) I've never seen the tank have issues holding aggro. The problem comes when you spam Medica II way too early causing massive overheal on the entire party.

Why is whm relic+1 unfairly punished with enmity and undergeared tanks compared to sch with relic +1.
Makes solo healing impossible in certain situations.
Btw you pull lots of hate with just medica too.

[Nofacekiller]

If stoneskin were to be instant cast wouldn't that just solidify scholar as the stronger healer?

Lustrate > stoneskin (instant cast ver) > lustrate, all the while you can move and heal with Eos/Selene.

Not even close, I'm talking about WHM specific changes, meaning these changes would be strictly tied to the improved stoneskin passive that WHMs exclusively obtain.

[Nullie]

I disagree. I use stoneskin a lot. I would not like it to be on a 25 second cool down. Mainly because I like to keep my dps with it on just in case an error happens. It would take forever to get everyone and keep everyone buffed up. Plus it is already insta cast with swiftcast.

I've never had a mana issue. You should also learn to use shroud a lot more. If your tank is good at keeping enmity then you'll never have to worry about it. There is also a thing called x-ethers and food to give you more mp.
For the most part white mages and scholars are superior working together. There are some instances where Whm outshines a Sch and there are the times when Sch outshines Whm. This happens. There doesn't always have to be an instance where your choice class "has to be" the best in all cases.

[Schmitty]

More like adlo>stoneskin> *boss uses death sentence*>lustrate

Ahh that makes much more sense than my proposed combination. I haven't yet faced T5 but I can see that being very strong.

[Schmitty]

Not even close, I'm talking about WHM specific changes, meaning these changes would be strictly tied to the improved stoneskin passive that WHMs exclusively obtain.

Would these changes include bringing to stoneskin percentage back to 10%?

I am not fully qualified to state that they are balanced as I haven't leveled my whm to 50. I do see very strong synergy between a Sch and Whm, and I know that when I heal as Sch without my trusty Whm (Sch/Sch) I miss Medica dearly.

With the current setup, it seems both sch and whm are needed in any 8 man, that itself seems the biggest sign that both classes are balanced.

Just my 2 cents.

[Sebazy]

I don't really get why so many people consider sch so superior over whm for Twintania, I typically parse about equal to my Sch partner's healing combined with EoS and that's without regen being taken into account. As far as death sentence goes, I can typically get a full strength stoneskin up for it and then time a cure II to land between the death sentence hit itself and the infirmity debuff. That merrily counters lustrate not being affected by the healing debuff. Add in a solid debuff rotation and it's really not an issue.

[Nofacekiller]

I don't really get why so many people consider sch so superior over whm for Twintania, I typically parse about equal to my Sch partner's healing combined with EoS and that's without regen being taken into account. As far as death sentence goes, I can typically get a full strength stoneskin up for it and then time a cure II to land between the death sentence hit itself and the infirmity debuff. That merrily counters lustrate not being affected by the healing debuff. Add in a solid debuff rotation and it's really not an issue.

I am pretty sure parsers don't take into account shielding which would put the scholar far above you, as well as making him functionally more useful than you dealing with death sentences and mitigating burst damage