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    Quote Originally Posted by Brannigan View Post
    The enmity increase on Defiance is likely there to offset the increased enmity generated by healers when a 2.1 warrior is tanking.
    That only applies to heals on the tank, which isn't really a problem. Healers only really generate enough enmity to pull off of tanks when they're throwing AoE heals, and the tank only represents a small portion of that, so increasing WAR enmity doesn't really make much sense to counteract the increased healing enmity. On top of that, if WAR gets an enmity increase while PLD doesn't, it will give WARs a pretty substantial enmity advantage; as it stands, damage/enmity on tanks is, quite possibly, the most balanced aspect of the game so screwing that up doesn't really make much sense.

    If the increased enmity generated by healers on WARs compared to PLDs is anything *close* to being considered an issue (which I don't really think it is; the 15% +healing from Wrath that most people maintain right now doesn't create any kind of problems and it's only getting bumped up by 5%), the simpler solution would just be to have Defiance reduce enmity generated for abilities targeting entities affected by Defiance by 20%. It addresses the issue directly without going at it in a roundabout way that actually creates bigger problems than the one it was attempting to fix.

    The increased enmity really is just coming out of nowhere, and the only way I can see it making sense is if they're doing the same thing for PLD. It really doesn't make sense in any other context.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitru View Post

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    The increased enmity really is just coming out of nowhere ...
    I agree with you since neither class has any problems holding hate, but I really can't think of any other reason why they would. Maybe they're nerfing Maim or expect warriors to use Butcher's Block -> Storm's Eye -> Storm's Path instead off BB->BB->SE.

    @Synestra the problem I have with Riot Blade is that it goes unused so often. In a typical fight natural MP regen can take care of your spellcasting needs. Yeah, it gets used occasionally, but paladin's typical rotation could really use some spicing up. There's a lot of ways they could get paladins to use Riot Blade more often, and really anything will work. Shield Swipe is similar in that it's pretty okay in the situations where you can use it and just kind of crappy on everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brannigan View Post
    I agree with you since neither class has any problems holding hate, but I really can't think of any other reason why they would. Maybe they're nerfing Maim or expect warriors to use Butcher's Block -> Storm's Eye -> Storm's Path instead off BB->BB->SE.
    That one still has problems because it's dramatically increasing the enmity generated by BB, which means that WAR still gets the option of "completely blows PLD out of the water" by using something like BB>BB>SP (if the global enmity increase is smaller than the 11% increase in damage that SP provides, it's not going to be *anywhere* near enough to make BB>SP>SE a legitimate enmity generation combo). It's another one of those issues where there's an easier and more direct way to solve it (put high enmity mods on Maim/SP/SE; if you don't want to pull aggro from another tank, you should drop out of Defiance since you'll be generating less aggro than you would before; conversely, you could just spam the SE>SP>SP since that's a good deal less potency per GCD than BB>BB>SE) that doesn't cause more problems that the one they were trying to address.

    Unless they want WAR to be the *explicit* enmity generation king, the only way the Defiance enmity buff makes sense is if Shield Oath is getting the same treatment. For *every* other possible issue that it might be trying to address, there are other less indirect methods with fewer side effects.
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