BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

[Aeser]

Why is everyone calling Nerfs? Everyone is calling it a nerf when it's obvious a simple adjustment.

Players were using Bards in a way that far exceeded the expectations of SE and as such, they need to be toned down a little. As the patch notes said:

"Q6: Please tell us about the adjustment details on other jobs other than the dragoons.....We have made adjustments to certain cross class actions that the bards can set."

"Although we've noticed that certain jobs are favored in certain instances over others, we will continue making adjustments moving forward based on the idea that all jobs can contribute to encounters. In regards to bard, though their recast times are long, they are able to deal large amount of damage in a short period of time, and we feel that this is a bit too strong of an advantage for battles where enemies change phases."

Is there something I missed? Please give a link so that I may adjust where needed. It's bordering sad at this point where people are crying about the hypothetical "nerfs' coming to their beloved class.

In response the the Support Role/DPS role debacle. I see them as more of a support/dps role more than a pure dps role. No other class has a set of abilities that support the party in any way that comes close to the songs. I'm not talking about cross class abilities that some jobs have access to. I'm talking about some of your core abilities. A good example of your more support role is your LB. if you were a 'DPS/DD' class, then you'd have a damage dealing LB. Simple as that.

[Phai]

Why is everyone calling Nerfs? Everyone is calling it a nerf when it's obvious a simple adjustment.

Not to be rude or anything, but adjustments that either lower a class dps and/or utility is what the word "nerf" cover?

And i dont see that u rage on the +10% damage adjustment to drg beeing talked about as a "boost".... oh crap, just saw, ur drg, my bad...

[Allyrion]

Not to be rude or anything, but adjustments that either lower a class dps and/or utility is what the word "nerf" cover?

And i dont see that u rage on the +10% damage adjustment to drg beeing talked about as a "boost".... oh crap, just saw, ur drg, my bad...

People who cried for bard nerfs right after launch were dumb cause it was way too early to start calling classes OP. They were wrong.

People crying about bard nerfs before knowing what adjustments are being made are just as bad. Maybe it's just me, but I think people should shut their mouth until they have all the information since you can't make any reasonable arguments based on speculation.

Yoshi's statements are very vague and it's grasping at straws to figure out what they're going to actually do to adjust bards. But lo and behold, everyone is up in arms to defend against the unspecified nerfs yet they can't really defend anything without knowing what they're going to do.

This just becomes an echo chamber between two groups. The people who are jealous of bards and the bards who feel threatened. Yet neither have anything really meaningful to say when in regards to the nerfs since they just don't know.

Do people really have to hinge on a few vague words about class balance with such emotion and reaction? You'll have every right to be upset when they release information about major nerfs. But in the scenario where the adjustments aren't bad or even an overall nerf at all, you made yourself upset for nothing and you helped propagated unnecessary fear and frustration.

[Phai]

People who cried for bard nerfs right after launch were dumb cause it was way too early to start calling classes OP. They were wrong.

People crying about bard nerfs before knowing what adjustments are being made are just as bad. Maybe it's just me, but I think people should shut their mouth until they have all the information since you can't make any reasonable arguments based on speculation.

U have a good point, and i do agree.
But to some limit i find a reason to try defend Brd, if its the adjustment comming toward the class or if its what community think, and makes of the class, well, i cant say, maybe little of both.
Time will show what happends to Brd, but for love of god, i hope they realy sort out the issue struggling classes have.

[Aeser]

Do people really have to hinge on a few vague words about class balance with such emotion and reaction? You'll have every right to be upset when they release information about major nerfs. But in the scenario where the adjustments aren't bad or even an overall nerf at all, you made yourself upset for nothing and you helped propagated unnecessary fear and frustration.

agreed
10/10

[Aeser]

Not to be rude or anything, but adjustments that either lower a class dps and/or utility is what the word "nerf" cover?

And i dont see that u rage on the +10% damage adjustment to drg beeing talked about as a "boost".... oh crap, just saw, ur drg, my bad...

I've always considered a 'nerf' to be a severe reduction in some aspect of the class. not a minor tweak.

oh and not to be rude or anything, but i couldn't give two shits about the buff as i play my whm far more than my drg, and i'm currently lvling sch and archer. I dont see a need to have any sort of buff and i believe it's a bit wasted. all i ever wanted was an adjustment to the animation lock for my jump attacks namely my evasion jump to make it actually useful when you need it.

and why would i "rage" about something that's merely said in general about my class without knowing exactly was changed? That would be a waste of time as i have no idea what's actually being changed and how.

so trying to point out my class is really asinine, ignorant and sorry attempt to shift your frustration from an unknown adjustment to me.
BARDs will always be highly sought after for their support abilities, so a minor tweak wont change much

[Phai]

I've always considered a 'nerf' to be a severe reduction in some aspect of the class. not a minor tweak.

oh and not to be rude or anything, but i couldn't give two shits about the buff as i play my whm far more than my drg, and i'm currently lvling sch and archer.

so trying to point out my class is really asinine, ignorant and sorry attempt to shift your frustration from an unknown adjustment to me.

Well u kinda went all out couse ppl refering to the adjustment as a nerf.
There is no Magic toward the fact that players will talk about the up's and Downs when there is said that a class will get adjusted in a negativ direction for that class. Some defend it, some argue against it. U tought it would be oki to target those who argue against it or did i miss something?

And u dont give a two shit about the buff, but u give enough shit to point out that brd is getting an adjustment, not a nerf, and People should stop talking about it? where u going whit this btw?

[Aeser]

Well u kinda went all out couse ppl refering to the adjustment as a nerf.
There is no Magic toward the fact that players will talk about the up's and Downs when there is said that a class will get adjusted in a negativ direction for that class. Some defend it, some argue against it. U tought it would be oki to target those who argue against it or did i miss something?

And u dont give a two shit about the buff, but u give enough shit to point out that brd is getting an adjustment, not a nerf, and People should stop talking about it? where u going whit this btw?

If you took offense to my original comment, then i apologize as that's not the purpose. I'm not trying to be troll.

it's more of: your over reacting to something you have no idea on the specifics of. If the adjustment is severe and truly a 'nerf' after you know all the details then by all means, voice your concern. But complaining about something that no one has any idea of, is simply a waste of time. your getting angry over nothing. It also sends a bad message to the developers. instead of articulating evidence, it's more of QQ over incomplete information.

I think SE made a mistake by posting something as vague as 'making adjustments.' I hope SE gives a bit more depth or detailed explanation when posting things that would impact a class. I'd also like to know what SE sees the Bard/Archer class as. Is it a pure DPS, DPS/Hybrid, or the Support version in this game. as stated before, i see Bard as a hybrid, since the songs are far too good to be otherwise.
In my opinion, it would also be better for the class if it wasn't dominating in lower tier content (as evident in near mandatory bard stacking or at least one in every group) and under performing in higher tier content. More linear progression seems better. Usefulness across all content, but not near-requirements.

If you truly believe the adjustments are unneeded, then lay down evidence. show parsers, videos, pics, something..anything to show the contrary. show SE that the community can articulate evidence and show the contrary to the model see.

I was voicing my opinion and not targeting anyone. I gave my reason for asking why people are calling it a nerf when the evidence calls it a minor adjustment, and i asked if there was evidence that i missed so that i may adjust my thinking based on more evidence. your the one being a smart ass about my comment by pointing out my class, as if that somehow dictated if i'm angry or wanting bard to be 'nerfed.'

I'm not concerned in the slightest about a buff/nerf to any of my classes until the details present themselves. If my drg gets this 10% dmg buff, then ok. if it gets a nerf, then ok. It's not going to affect me in the slightest as i enjoy playing drg as well as the other jobs/classes i'm playing. Even if my (for example) whm gets a massive 'nerf.' Then i'll continue playing it regardless. i enjoy it.

[Phai]

it's more of: your over reacting to something you have no idea on the specifics of. If the adjustment is severe after you know all the details then by all means, voice your concern. But complaining about something that no one has any idea of, is simply a waste of time. your getting angry over nothing.

Well i see ur point.
But not all in this thread is angry, and i was under the impression that talking about upcoming changes, good or bad, was what forums could be used for.
Anyway, some want to talk about it, share stuff and opinions, some dont want to, lets just agree its more than enough room to let everyone have a spot on the playground?


Edit; my respond was based on ur post before u added / edit'd it.
Reason i mention ur class, as u posted was that u, imo, went all out toward ppl talking about the "nerf", i might have missread ur post, but that was the reason for the class comment. Could say the same to Warriors in theire post's, no reason to be happy until patch go live, tho i think they having a good time talking and discussing the upcomming changes.
My point is that on forums it should be aloved to talk about an adjustment toward a class, good or bad, and People should not keep shut until the change goes live. its somewhat final resort to make a point, couse belive it or not, SE reads forums.