PLD Negotiation (Vs WAR)

[Gilthas]

Shield Oath PLD HP: 5250

WAR Defiance: 6300 (WAR HP: 5250)

Post-patch*

DMG 6300

PLD takes -> 6300 - (6300 x .2) or 6300 - 1260 = 5040 DMG taken.

No buffs PLD HP: 210 @ 4% HP
Rampart PLD HP: 1218 @ 20% HP

No buffs WAR HP: 0 @ 0% HP
With Inner Beast buff - WAR HP: 1260 @ 20% HP

I knew something was wrong here. You need to multiply the WAR's HP by 1.25, not 1.2

Unless you were making some other point.

6562 - 6300 = 262 or 3% (feel better?)

eHP wise WAR/PLD are almost equal post-patch is all I'm saying - even more so with that little correction. PLD still has the benefit of everything is "on-demand" whereas WAR is "time-it-right".

Not sure why there's threads asking for changes to PLD.

Either way the math /is/ relatively accurate from a % vs % standpoint and the higher the damage climbs the more you prioritize the PLD over WAR from an ease of use standpoint. Even post-patch.

If by relatively accurate you mean "incorrectly made it seem that Paladins can survive a hit that would kill a Warrior", yeah, I guess its relatively accurate.

If a Paladin and a Warrior have the same base HP, same defense relevant stats and are using Shield Oath and Defiance, anything* that kills a Warrior will also kill a Paladin.

*it might be possible that this isn't true depending on how damage and HP values are rounded, but it will never be a difference as huge as the missing 262 HP on the Warrior.

[Dhex]

I knew something was wrong here. You need to multiply the WAR's HP by 1.25, not 1.2

Unless you were making some other point.

6562 - 6300 = 262 or 3% (feel better?)

eHP wise WAR/PLD are almost equal post-patch is all I'm saying - even more so with that little correction. PLD still has the benefit of everything is "on-demand" whereas WAR is "time-it-right".

Not sure why there's threads asking for changes to PLD.

Either way the math /is/ relatively accurate from a % vs % standpoint and the higher the damage climbs the more you prioritize the PLD over WAR from an ease of use standpoint. Even post-patch.

[Dhex]

If a Paladin and a Warrior have the same base HP, same defense relevant stats and are using Shield Oath and Defiance, anything* that kills a Warrior will also kill a Paladin.

They pretty much have the same eHP - the biggest variable for Warrior vs. Paladin is WAR gets to heal itself every so often; has a slightly lower DR for Sentinel vs Vengeance;equal DR if WAR times it right for Rampart vs Inner Beast & HP returns compensate for Vengeance/Sentinel imbalance? (intentional offset for HP returns??) then you'd have Thrill of Battle + Holmgag vs Hallowed Ground, higher enmity on the base of Defiance to compensate for tri/bi rotation on WAR and healing enmity generation; yardle fardle it's very balanced overall eHP is essentially the same.

So yeah I'll gut my post - WAR/PLD baseline are within 1% WAR can't be one-shotted unless PLD is one-shotted; that changes as the gap can grow over duration of battle but it'd be rare (? Maybe) - from a healing and healing enmity gen standpoint I think PLD has "ease-of-use" stamped all over.