PLD Negotiation (Vs WAR)

[Sylve]

Either way. it's making the class with the highest hp also have the same or near the same damage mitigation as the PLD. PLD doesn't have near as much hp or str as a WAR does, and the damage mitigation was the only thing that made up for it stat wise.

STOP!

Paladins still have Block, which warriors do not get. Warrior damage intake is going to be very skill dependent. But all the skill in the world wont save you from a large crit in Coil in those windows where our new DR effects go down, and we don't have any other DR skills in effect.


The boosted HP will mitigate those strings of downtime, so we don't get one shot for not pulling off a flawless rotation of overlapping Damage Reduction.
The increased Healing taken is there so Healers are restoring the same percentage of your Health Bar as a WAR or PLD, avoiding the WAR becoming a huge MP drain to try and get back to safety levels.

The way i see it, the PLD is still the premiere damage reduction Tank, as its DR effect is always on, with the cooldowns to burst out some very heavy reductions, while the WAR is now capable of reducing its damage taken in spikes. We were never really a "self heal" Tank because IB was so limited in its usability. Restoring 2k HP every 20 or so seconds isn't really effective healing, especially as the Tank is receiving external healing, most IB's went to waste as pointless overheal.
It was great when it saved your life, but if it was saving your life, something went wrong on your healers end.

[Leiron]

Either way. it's making the class with the highest hp also have the same or near the same damage mitigation as the PLD.

False.
Why?
Math

Shield oath= 20% mitigation
1/.8 = 1.25

Defiance= 25% hp buff

1.25 = 25% more hp = Shield Oath provides equivalent eHP to Defiance.
Another note

Shield oath provides a 25% indirect Healing bonus.
25% HP + 20% healing bonus < 25%hp + 25% healing bonus.
Defiance is behind.
Learn to math.

PLD doesn't have near as much hp or str as a WAR does, and the damage mitigation was the only thing that made up for it stat wise.

False, Paladin strength is very close.
Paladin eHP is higher than a War.
Base Hp is slightly lower b about 40 or so.

Math> you.

WAR aren't Under powered. People just didn't want to be a WAR because they thought it was going to be a DPS class when it first came out.

Wow you're better than Miss Cleo.
You can read people's minds and figure out exactly why they play a spec.
Oh wait no, you're just ignorant.

[Lemon8or]

Now you're asking for Paladin's QoL fixes while warrior is getting the buffs they need to do end-game? Try that when we get the QoL fixes like Foresight basically still does nothing, Unchained is still overshadowed by Inner Beast and heck, Steel Cyclone, Mercy Stroke is still very hard to hit especially against BLM who does immense burst damage. Like many people have said: Good thing you don't have the final say. You're obviously too biased with Paladin and just like to stay above other tanks to feel like you are wanted instead of competing against them head to head in a battle of skills.

[HunkyJimpjorps]

It's so cute that you think you're in a position to negotiate.

[Brevitic]

Patches will continue until morale improves.

[Reynhart]

Shield oath provides a 25% indirect Healing bonus.

Please explain

[Zoomie]

Please explain

Due to a PLD's built in 20% DR a PLD's hit points are effectively worth more than 1.

If a PLD takes a hit for 200 they will take 160 damage (200*.8 = 160). Requiring only a heal of 160 to fully mend the damage from a 200 damage attack. Hense the "effective" healing bonus.

[Reynhart]

You can't count 25% HP due to damage mitigation AND 25% healing bonus for Shield Oath
So it's not 25% HP + 25% healing bonus > 25% HP + 20% healing bonus

It's 25% HP (Shield Oath) < 25% HP (Defiance HP bonus) + 20% healing (Defiance healing buff, no Rage V needed in 2.1)

So, Leiron's calculation was wrong and he should apologise to VoxInaBox.

[Leiron]

Please explain

Zoomie already covered it, which you promptly declared as wrong without any attempt to make refutation of the logic other than just asserting your argument.
So why am I going to bother with someone who has no intent of changing their mind in the first place?

My calculation is correct.

[glen7187]

You can't count 25% HP due to damage mitigation AND 25% healing bonus for Shield Oath
So it's not 25% HP + 25% healing bonus > 25% HP + 20% healing bonus

It's 25% HP (Shield Oath) < 25% HP (Defiance HP bonus) + 20% healing (Defiance healing buff, no Rage V needed in 2.1)

So, Leiron's calculation was wrong and he should apologise to VoxInaBox.

This was covered by math in many other posts in the forums. Defiance needs to have 25% healing in order for it to EQUAL Shield Oath. Otherwise, Shield Oath is better (by a little bit)