LOL@ Yoshi P's response to why Coil raiders should do Crystal Tower

[Tyro]

What about we do it for fun?

Some people are forgetting the objective of playing a game: Having fun. Why do you play Super Smash Bros? There is not loot, you just have fun.

I think doing a raid with other 23 people is pretty cool and I'll have tons of fun.

[Tupsi]

Anyways, content and loot do go hand in hand, but loot doesn't make terrible content fun. If the content is terrible will you torture yourself to get that awesome looking loot?

Well yeah, that's how most people got their DL and Myth tomes. WP/AK were fun at first, but the 80th spam it's more torture than anything, which is why people usually get at least half of their tomes from Coil then SR WP or Garuda/Titan for the rest.

What about we do it for fun?

Some people are forgetting the objective of playing a game: Having fun. Why do you play Super Smash Bros?

Well I don't know about anyone else, but I go in playing SSBM/B knowing there's no loot to obtain and I'll never be locked out of obtaining what I want. What if you could only get 1 character a week in the new Super Smash Brothers? Then the comparison would be more accurate. As much as it's obvious to play a game for fun...you play MMOs mostly to get loot and progress your character - That's just simply something no one can deny.

Why would they develop loot in the first place if that's not a goal? It's why in single player RPGs you generally go through the dungeon as a 'trial' and anything obtained there is pretty much extra (since shops usually sell what you need unless you farm the best stuff in end-game dungeons (!))

[omniwaink]

What about we do it for fun?

This is such a ridiculous cop out. Let me know how much "fun" you have when you run CT 12x just to get that one item you need to drop. And then you lose it to a pug in ilvl 55 gear who died on the fight.

Or how much "fun" CT will be after you've already watched the cut scenes and completed it. As someone mentioned earlier, there are plenty of low level dungeons and story sequences that no one plays because there is no incentive to do it after you finish. How come people don't do guildhests "for fun" after they get the first completion bonus? By your logic, why don't you do Cape Westwind every week?

Who is CT for then? Nobody. It doesn't gear up alts faster than WP. It doesn't gear up casuals faster than WP. The gear isn't better than Myth. It's not going to be challenging (which means it will be boring). And if it is challenging it will just be frustrating with forced pugs.

2.1 "A Realm Milked into Boredom"

[AnthraxLam]

This is such a ridiculous cop out. Let me know how much "fun" you have when you run CT 12x just to get that one item you need to drop. And then you lose it to a pug in ilvl 55 gear who died on the fight.

Or how much "fun" CT will be after you've already watched the cut scenes and completed it. As someone mentioned earlier, there are plenty of low level dungeons and story sequences that no one plays because there is no incentive to do it after you finish. How come people don't do guildhests "for fun" after they get the first completion bonus? By your logic, why don't you do Cape Westwind every week?

Who is CT for then? Nobody. It doesn't gear up alts faster than WP. It doesn't gear up casuals faster than WP. The gear isn't better than Myth. It's not going to be challenging (which means it will be boring). And if it is challenging it will just be frustrating with forced pugs.

2.1 "A Realm Milked into Boredom"

Couldnt agree more into this. Let's face it, I bet after this months subscription , population in EVERY server will dramatically drop. /fact

[Wyyote]

Couldnt agree more into this. Let's face it, I bet after this months subscription , population in EVERY server will dramatically drop. /fact

Fact: You would be incorrect.

Supporting evidence: The forums will be full of people complaining, yet still playing.

See you in a month.