Evasion tank concept, branching from Musketeer.

[Vanidin]

As long as the evasion is controlled by RNG you either have to make the evasion OP so that the tank will always survive in which case you once again make warrior and paladin pointless or you increase mitigation enough that it doesn't matter if you evade or not in which case you're not really an evasion tank... you're just a warrior that's figured out how to use something other than an axe.

Evasion tanking worked in xi because of slow combat speed, movement mechanics that allowed easy kiting, gear optimization that essentially negated mob attacks (ie you could put up 7 shadows for every 8 mob attacks and could easily eat the 1 that gets through) and the all around brokenness of utsusemi. Evasion tanking in xi relied primarily on how much haste and fast cast you could stack to reduce your recast timers to the point where your shadows never fell even if you never dodged a single attack.


A tanking model that relies on RNG (which an evasion tank in xiv would have to be) is either OP because it always works or it's unreliable.

Who's going to use an unreliable tank?

[Duuude007]

Why must an evasion tank be all or none? No gray areas whatsoever?

Are you saying that you cannot partially evade a bullet, or a sword? (You were merely grazed. Its only a flesh wound.)

Is it me, or is this whole "Evasion tank R bad" argument based on the assumption that a gray are does not exist?

[Warlyx]

character limit suck!!! ~~

whats about to post this , thanks for saving me time.. ^^

evasion tanking ISNT reliable...u dodge or u dont...if u do all the time u are a god, if u dont .....why are u tanking?

the only way to fix evasion tanking is adding stoneskin effects to the job , in order to avoid getting 1 shoted if u "fail to dodge"....a stoneskin that the evasion tank builds using skills (and its based on tank %HP so its scales, similar to DK wow mastery (death strike > bubble) , or Rift rogue tank (rift guard))

[Duuude007]

evasion tanking ISNT reliable...u dodge or u dont...if u do all the time u are a god, if u dont .....why are u tanking?

I swear its like people aren't even considering gray area /partial evasion.

[Mooshywooshy]

Guiz a gun type tank is liek stoopud idea cuz gunz range only.

Owait.

I suppose its unrealistic for something like this to branch off of Musketeer, however, I guess it would be possible to have tank gear be solely equippable by a job and not a class yeah?

I think tanks are tanks because of their available gear, if you're tanking in DD leather and you don't evade or have a cooldown up you're going to send the healers into panic mode after one or 2 hits.

All that being said I fully support a tank coming off of Musketeer one way or another. Engineer is my dream job so be it an evasion tank, a shield gun tank, a magitek pet tank, a potion tossing tank, whatever I will play it for forevah.

[Esmian]

I swear its like people aren't even considering gray area /partial evasion.

Considering that evasion isn't even a visible parameter in this game there would be no gear to even give evasion tanks a sense of progression other than hp and parry. So unless SE fixed that in any shape or form an evasion tank would have to solely rely on its CDs and when it's off CD a bad rng hit will one shot it if pretty much every other game with an evasion tank is any indication.

So I'm gonna say no.

[amnie]

The evasion tank is called Ninja. He shall make his triumphant return. Rejoice.

right. except Ninja shouldn't be a tank. see what I did there?


that being said, my favourite - to heal - in SWTOR are vanguards




yupp yupp

so give me that gunnytank!

[Noroi_Kisaragi]

right. except Ninja shouldn't be a tank. see what I did there?

The ninja can be whatever he wants because he's a freakin' ninja.

[amnie]

The ninja can be whatever he wants because he's a freakin' ninja.

well yes of course, but I just always found the topic of especially the FFXI ninja to be highly hilarious. even in this topic someone complained Ninja was not the 'greatest' tank in that game. well d'oh.

that being said it's always fun to experiment and 'anything goes'
in tsw I tanked with my assault rifle for a while. the base skills had no extra aggro skills at all. I only had the 'side skills' (not related to a specific weapon). it worked pretty well once I had people convinced that yes, I would be able to keep the aggro

[banned]

I swear its like people aren't even considering gray area /partial evasion.

so it would be more just a flavor change, then? instead of a partial block, or parry, you would just partial evade, have different ability names that do the same thing. im not against it but unless it plays differently enough whats the point (besides flavor, as i said)

personally i would like to see a magic based tank somewhere down the line. a 'battle mage' that had to rotate various defensive shields (some for physical, some for magic) to mitigate damage..maybe have an aggro DoT that needs to be maintained, otherwise its hate would drop off dramatically. of course an Engineer class could dod the same thing i guess.

edit: i never played xi, but wasnt ninja tanking completely unintended, and somewhat broken in terms of 'balance'? im all for doing things and using classes in non expected ways, but not to the point of what is essentially exploiting a busted mechanic.

but more the variety the better, imho