Tanks lose aggro when they take dmg?

[Seaside8]

Not quite sure what you're asking here. Could you describe what you and your group were doing and what was the problem?

We were doing T4, and on phase 3, we wiped because I got an aggro from the mt (me being the OT). My MT's response was that i shouldnt do halone combo in sword oath because the tank loses aggro every time he/she takes dmg, and thus i will eventually get aggro over him, even though he is better geared than i am.

I am wondering if it is true that a tank lose's aggro every time he/she takes dmg.

[Grembo]

We were doing T4, and on phase 3, we wiped because I got an aggro from the mt (me being the OT). My MT's response was that i shouldnt do halone combo in sword oath because the tank loses aggro every time he/she takes dmg, and thus i will eventually get aggro over him, even though he is better geared than i am.

I am wondering if it is true that a tank lose's aggro every time he/she takes dmg.

It sounds like the MT was trying to tell you that your attacks damage was pulling hate not that he was losing it because he was receiving damage.

I haven't made enough progress in turn 4 to offer you advice specific to that turn but you should be watching your aggro meters, I tend to watch the tanks rotation and only drop the halone part of my combo after the MT has finished his.

[Seaside8]

It sounds like the MT was trying to tell you that your attacks damage was pulling hate not that he was losing it because he was receiving damage.

I haven't made enough progress in turn 4 to offer you advice specific to that turn but you should be watching your aggro meters, I tend to watch the tanks rotation and only drop the halone part of my combo after the MT has finished his.

Nope, the response was, "Tank lose aggro when they take damage." I'm more puzzled about that than the specific fight.

[Grembo]

Nope, the response was, "Tank lose aggro when they take damage." I'm more puzzled about that than the specific fight.

That could mean anything though, from what you described i'd probably read it like "I lose aggro when they take damage (from you)"

The MT might have had problems with his rotation so he wasn't maximising his threat but since you managed to pull threat completely and wipe the party it's quite clear that a lot of the error was on your end too.

[Zakalwe]

Nope, the response was, "Tank lose aggro when they take damage." I'm more puzzled about that than the specific fight.

Your MT is mistaken. It might seem that way from the perspective of a MT, seeing your OT creeping up on the threat table when in 'non-tanking' stance getting in hits but not receiving any. The thing is, our 'tanking' stance doesn't actually increase hate, unlike any tanking stance I've ever seen. The +enmity component merely (and maybe not fully) compensates from the loss of damage-hate from the dps nerf. OTs in Shield Oath not only get their full dps but get a minor auto attack buff that really adds up over time. And while it might not seem like it takes much time out of the rotation, the time it takes to hit cooldowns can slowly ease back on your aggro throttle as well.

[ZephyrK]

Nope, the response was, "Tank lose aggro when they take damage." I'm more puzzled about that than the specific fight.

There have been MMOs in the past that had this mechanic, but FFXIV doesn't seem to. I call this "Voodoo mechanics." when people assume an MMO has hidden mechanics that reflect what they are used to and not what is happening in game.

[Splice]

this thread is full of win...

taking dmg does not affect your enmity
why are you doing flash on a single target for enmity generation?
someone was suggesting to spam riot blade for MP? wtf?
shield oath generates more enmity per halone combo than sword oath (the oath should not affect your OT)
as the MT you should be opening with fight-o-flight>shield lob>halone full combo+SW>repeat halone combo till dead, by the time the bugs are eaten in the middle I am through my first halone and by then hate is never an issue. the only thing that can mess up the start and give hate issues are when someone pulls hate (like if healer has regen up) so it runs around before the buggs get eaten. As long as bugs get eaten right away in middle this gives you enough time to secure hate.

[zdub303]

Sounds like you just deal more damage than the MT and are generating more threat than they are. You need to watch the threat meter (the little white bars underneath everyone's class icon in the party window) and make sure to weave in Riot Blade combos when you are getting close to taking agro.

[Leiron]

shield oath generates more enmity per halone combo than sword oath (the oath should not affect your OT)

False.
The enmity modifier is about 1.2.
The actual damage loss is about 25%.
It doesn't make up for the damage loss, ergo, Paladin in no Oath generates more agro.
WAR has the same isue.

[Kal-El]

shield oath generates more enmity per halone combo than sword oath (the oath should not affect your OT)
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I'm only disagreeing with this point. The enmity multiplier for Shield oath is equal or less than the damage loss.

Therefore when the OT does their RoH combo they will create the same enmity (not taking into account crits etc) BUT the benefit of Sword Oath's auto attacks actually outweigh the the enmity buff from Shield Oath. So it's possible that the OT will steal hate when using RoH.

I originally thought Shield Oath enmity was broken after I did some playing around but someone explained it to me on these forums.

To be honest you should be looking at the threat meter anyway. If you're close to stealing hate then chill for a sec, use Riot Blade, cast a stoneskin on the MT and let the MT build hate for a bit.

EDIT - Small example. Helping a friend in Castrum today and the OT PLD would steal hate from me on the last boss using Sword oath.

Said PLD had hoplite and Ifrit blade.

I have Myth / DL with relic +1.

Ended up just going Sword Oath to make things faster anyway.