Tanks lose aggro when they take dmg?

[Ferth]

As far as I know, no we don't lose hate from being hit. But shield oath is not really all that great as an enmity gain ability... It is very easy for a similarly geared paladin in sword oath to rip hate. Best bet if this happens is to let the tank do a few combos first before you really get into it... and of course keep an eye on your enmity gauge... if you start creeping into the orange, back off a bit. Rage of Halone has a tremendous enmity modifier all on it's own... and can easily do 100-200 more damage than a paladin in shield oath. (especially if you have FoF on and he doesn't.)

[WowSuchName]

Many time I encounter that with 2 PLD on same gears:
- MT on Shield Oath open the fight, no fight or flight then landed 1 RoH combo
- OT on Sword Oath follow the fight, fight or flight activated then land 1 RoH combo
- The OT will took over aggro

Rotation for MT: Shield Lob > CoS > SW > Flash > RoH Combo
Rotation for OT: Buff (fight or flight + Blood Bath) > Shield Lob > CoS > SW > Flash > RoH combo

[Enfarious]

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Rotation for MT: Shield Lob > CoS > SW > Flash > RoH Combo
Rotation for OT: Buff (fight or flight + Blood Bath) > Shield Lob > CoS > SW > Flash > RoH combo

Just curious here, maybe I'm missing something, but why would the OT ever use Flash on a mob that the MT is on, seems like asking to pull hate?

And becuase of the non-GCD nature of CoS and SW you can get more enmity in the same time using:
Shield Lob > CoS > Flash > SW > Flash > RoH
Due to the animation times and locks your better off flashing between your 2 non-GCD skills.

[Maelwys]

Just curious here, maybe I'm missing something, but why would the OT ever use Flash on a mob that the MT is on, seems like asking to pull hate?

The blind debuff is about all I can think of.

Every time a MT uses a GCD for flash, they'll generate less hate over time on a single target boss than if they just continued to cycle their RoH combo... so it can sorta makes sense for an OT to use it for them, just like it can sorta makes sense for an OT to use "Stoneskin" on the MT before a big spike hit (I do this in Turn 2) - Healer MP is conserved, no enmity is lost and not much DPS is lost. It's not something you want to spam, but use situationally and occasionally.

[Zoomie]

Just curious here, maybe I'm missing something, but why would the OT ever use Flash on a mob that the MT is on, seems like asking to pull hate?

Flash is a fairly minimal amount of threat. The MT is much better off going through their RoH combo. Myself and our other PLD regularly apply flash for each other when we're OTing in Coil.

[joshdavis271]

gotta watch you rotations as the OT, don't do your rage combo unless you are #3 or lower on the threat list, it i unsafe to perform your combo if you are #2

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Hi Seaside,
From my observation, enmity does not decrease from taking damage. I've heard folks who have transitioned from FFXI say this, but that does not appear to be the case in this.

Test Case: Have tank pull lots of low level mobs with Flash. Stoneskin the tank once. Watch tank hold enmity for several minutes without decay.

As others have said, there is a good chance Sword Oath is overtaking him on enmity, especially if you had Fight or Flight and/or higher Strength.

Also, if he's relying on a Rage of Halone three step macro, a step could have not executed or if his Accuracy is not high enough, could have missed on Rage of Halone itself.

[TirionCrey]

The Dreadnought in Wave 3 is a guaranteed hate loss for the MT if the OT starts diving right into his Enmity Combo in Sword Oath. Just start off with 2-3 Fast Blade -> Riot Blade Combos. After that your MT should be ahead enough to not lose aggro.

Also it was stated several times already but yeah...in XIV tanks don't lose aggro as they get hit. It worked that way in XI and in some other MMOs, but not in XIV.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Threat in this game does NOT decay.

To test this, have 2 players, with no armor, and a similar weapon.

Have both hit the mob ONCE.

Now, who ever hit the hardest, will have hate.
(make sure its a low level enemy.)

Let the mob beat on the person, while both players have their back to it.

The mob will never change targets. (until that player is dead)

[Cortana-]

There is no threat/enmity decay in this game, period. This has been tested and proven, so your tank is either unaware or lieing.