GTX 780 running <20 fps at Revenant's Toll, normal?

[ispano]

There is no guarantee of anything, but by nature of design the PC will never be able to achieve the level of optimisation that a console can. Not to mention you cannot undervalue the benefit of not having to run a full OS like Windows

In the end, still doesn't mean much. There's a limit to what can be pulled out of the hardware on the PS4. Optimization or not. All intents and purposes, it's still a low-mid spec PC.

[KenzieLynch]

In the end, still doesn't mean much. There's a limit to what can be pulled out of the hardware on the PS4. Optimization or not. All intents and purposes, it's still a low-mid spec PC.

Means a lot actually, but keep telling yourself otherwise if it makes you feel better.

[Billzey]

Means a lot actually, but keep telling yourself otherwise if it makes you feel better.

I don't understand what your obsession is with optimization. Who cares if FFXIV is better optimized for PS4 when it will still run better on PC?

[cheetahfox]

Means a lot actually, but keep telling yourself otherwise if it makes you feel better.

You need to stop thinking about this console generation is like earlier generations of consoles. It's a fact that this generation of consoles is more PC-like than any consoles that have come before. Mainly because optimization in older consoles was difficult because the hardware was not well understood by developers.

The PS3 was a great example of this... A very complex processor which when it was released it had a great theoretical peak performance. But because it was so different from other architectures it took years of developing tool chains and methods to tap that potential power.

Because of these problems Sony and Microsoft made the generation very PC-Like which makes them VERY well understood. So the software is already MUCH more optimized than early games for older consoles. The PS4 client should already be a well optimized game. Basically, due to how the consoles are designed, it should be easy to get most of the optimization due to the platform early in the development cycle. It's true over time that they should be able to improve the client via optimization. But this won't be due to the PS4 vs the Pc; this will be because they figure out better ways to do what the client needs to do.

The only real advantage over the PC that the PS4 client will have is a known hardware configuration. But, as many people have pointed out from a hardware stand-point the PS4 is a mid range pc at best. In general both of the new consoles are rather low-end vs PC's compared to what we have seen from older console generations.