BARD 2.1 change [requesting letter from the producer explanation]

[Luso]

You speak truth, I forgot about Invigorate which I use religiously in every long battle... I was thinking more like swap PGL with CON but like I said that would be too impractical.

Bard would lose (From Pugilist):

• Internal Release
• Mantra
• Second Wind
• Featherfoot
• Haymaker (lol)

Bard would gain (from Conjurer):

• Cure
• Stoneskin
• Aero (??)
• ???

Honestly, I wouldn't even know where to start if they wanted to cross class Conjurer again. The skills are spread out between so many different jobs.

[warren-ragnarok]

what bothers me more is the people complaining about the brd nerfs, brd is supposed to be a support role....they could also be preparing for future split class, where archer goes into another job, and is a REAL dps, but thats just a guess........still too soon to say for sure

[Phai]

what bothers me more is the people complaining about the brd nerfs, brd is supposed to be a support role....

Where u get it from that Brd is support role? Did not Yoshi once say that he did not want a support role in 2.0? where in the 4 man content u find room for support role?
Brd have songs, while used lowers dps 20%, Beside of that, they have silence... Mnk have silence, drg does not, maybe cut mnk dps 20% lower than drg then?

I would think it would be Clear pointers toward Brd beeing a support role if there was sutch a thing in xiv atm. The penalty for movment and the utility already have that class far Down on dps in endgame!

All i see is Mnk and Drg's talking about "Real" dps, and trash Brd as much as they can.
Tbh if u remove Brd from game, ppl will just stack another ranged dps in most cases, like blm/smn, as things are atm, and u would just be forced to scream nerf for those classes couse the issue toward melee dps still stands.

Nerfing bard might be right for ur kind, but its sure as hell not the solution to any problems for melee in endgame. and trust me, i want to see more Mnk and Drg pew pew trough coil etc..

[WiseWolfHolo]

what bothers me more is the people complaining about the brd nerfs, brd is supposed to be a support role

what bothers me more is ppl who think bard is some OP class when it has less dps than monk, drg and heck even a good blm beats it, so why are we nerfing it again, oh wait cause casuals QQ too much and don't know there class and think bards out dps them. The real problem is that bard really has no support other than silence and we can blame SE for not thinking outside the box and doing something more with ballads, such as making armys restore TP and boost parties determination by say 10%, make mages idk do MP and increase magic resistances of party by 10%. Really that is all you have to do and if they really wanted to adjust y limit cross class skills, just decimal adjust the damage a point of dex does and add those extra suggested buffs to ballads and then you have a supporter class.

Where u get it from that Brd is support role? Did not Yoshi once say that he did not want a support role in 2.0? where in the 4 man content u find room for support role?
Brd have songs, while used lowers dps 20%, Beside of that, they have silence... Mnk have silence, drg does not, maybe cut mnk dps 20% lower than drg then?

I would think it would be Clear pointers toward Brd beeing a support role if there was sutch a thing in xiv atm. The penalty for movment and the utility already have that class far Down on dps in endgame!

All i see is Mnk and Drg's talking about "Real" dps, and trash Brd as much as they can.
Tbh if u remove Brd from game, ppl will just stack another ranged dps in most cases, like blm/smn, as things are atm, and u would just be forced to scream nerf for those classes couse the issue toward melee dps still stands.

Nerfing bard might be right for ur kind, but its sure as hell is not the solution to any problems for melee in endgame. and trust me, i want to see more Mnk and Drg pew pew trough coil etc..

As well as this, Yoshi did say they wanted to make bard less of a supporter because in 1.0 we really could do nothing well.

[Sheyde]

what bothers me more is the people complaining about the brd nerfs, brd is supposed to be a support role....they could also be preparing for future split class, where archer goes into another job, and is a REAL dps, but thats just a guess........still too soon to say for sure

BRD is a real DPS job. We are based off of a DPS class, archer, and then we get some support abilities to supplement our DPS abilities through our job. Our job doesn't change our core role as a DPS, it just gives us tools to grant a little more support, not boost our dps like DRG/MNK. To counteract the support abilities we get from our job, we were given access to multiple DPS enhancing abilities, more than the so-called 'REAL' DPS classes. Even with those abilities, we are currently sitting in the middle/bottom of the DPSers for parses. Sometimes we do parse higher than everyone, it happens. Most of the time we are lower than the others.


I don't know why people are getting all bent out of shape, BRDs are currently in a really good place. This is a TEAM game, you know, you play it with 7 other people all working on the same goal. If you kill the boss, who cares who does the most damage. Try playing with friends and you'll see that they don't care how much damage you do, just what the outcome is. I'm still trying to figure out why the other classes give a crap about bards and need to complain about them. Worry about your own class, try to get that fixed. Quit trying to break mine

Sheyde Farron

[Zumocano]

This is a TEAM game, you know, you play it with 7 other people all working on the same goal. If you kill the boss, who cares who does the most damage. Try playing with friends and you'll see that they don't care how much damage you do, just what the outcome is.

Good god, thank you. There are 9 DIFFERENT classes that come together to clear an objective. If you want the highest dps, go play monk, dragoon, or black mage. Coil groups are still going to need a bard for its silence, Ballad, Paeon, Foe's. Play the damn game... IT'S A GAME.

[Rhained]

what bothers me more is ppl who think bard is some OP class when it has less dps than monk, drg and heck even a good blm beats it, so why are we nerfing it again, oh wait cause casuals QQ too much and don't know there class and think bards out dps them.

Does Yoshi rly strike you like the kind of guy who would have a job nerfed because of whiners? I dont think so.

You know what hes like with these live letters btw, prob holding this killer bard information so hes got something else to talk about that isnt 2.3 patch. And he did mention why they were being nerfed somewhere.

Now why is he nerfing cross-class skills for them (likely translates to damage) I don't really know but im sure he will explain eventually.

Its the first nerf and buff patch so we can actually see how credible the dev team is at balancing soon enough.

[Drakkur]

Disembowel is roughly a 7% increase in BRD damage output.

Note: Twintania has multi-target and sort-of AOE mechanics so DPS can increase beyond single target (actually, with the whole afk phases of the fight, it more or less balances the DPS back to "single target-ish" levels).

Here's my Twintania past dive bombs (we have been shuffling out our slackers so we haven't been able to get a kill). Bards are good DPSers, you just need to know the optimal buff rotation to maximize your DPS. This isn't some 2 min DPS race, its a 9min fight.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...aniaBRDDPS.png

Once again, Zero allagan, all DL but crafted boots and 3 pieces of Myth...

[NeonC]

Nice numbers! How do you manage your buffs in more condensed fights like ads or titan?

[Drakkur]

Nice numbers! How do you manage your buffs in more condensed fights like ads or titan?

For ADS Turn 1 (turn 2 is very similar) I have some one silence first and I pick up the second.
My rotation is as follows:
BfB>SS>BL>RS (This is hard, you need to be spamming it to cut off the BL animation after the 1 sec hidden GCD and have it up, at most you should only be clipping by tenths of a second)> Windbite > IR > Venomous > Hawk Eye > HS > Barrage > SS (Only do this is you have more than 8 sec left on BfB, else do Windbite again) > if you SS Windbite > (BL)Repelling Shot > Venomous > (BL)Silence > HS or SS depending on what you did before the DOT reapplication

Why we refresh our dots at the end of the rotation:
First phase of the rotation your dots are only 40% buffed, second phase they will have both piercing from the DRG, Hawk Eye and IR (Still up for debate whether or not bonus crit chance buffs dots after application).