Duty Finder Etiquette

[Astarica]

If you have the skills you don't need gear, but generally the guy who telling you he has skills is going to be the first guy to go flying off a cliff on a landslide, so it's alright to be suspicious. Just wait until the guy actually dies first before you complain.

[Zedine]

I don't think people purposefully go in under geared. In all honesty if you beat Ifrit, then beat Garuda, and you are facing titan for the 1st time, there is no reason for you to not try it. Even if you were carried or not. What I am saying is people will try it not because they want to upset other players, but because its all they have and they got to that point with what they have and believe it can be done. In most cases it can be done. The issue is it is harder with that iLevel gear and people want the easy way out. Unless they see people in full darklight people leave Titan at start or after 1 death, not even a wipe. Usually after a wipe on titan a person leaves, regardless of the reason, whether its gear or missing a dodge on an ability. What I am saying is you shouldn't judge people by gear alone. Gear doesn't make the player. There are players in full darklight and relic+1 (purchased titan win or carried) who are worst players than those with GC sword and shield and WP armor.

[Lurkios]

Sorry, but gear is and always will be a requirement.

There is absolutely no skill level a player can attain that will cause them not to die to tumult/jumps when they have less HP then the damage it deals.

And as for the people who leave? I don't blame them at all. If you know your healers aren't going to survive the phase 5 tumult there's no reason to continue. You've already lost. Any other action is simply an exercise of futility.

[Zedine]

Sorry, but gear is and always will be a requirement.

I think this has gone off topic, I never said gear was not a requirement. I said gear doesn't make a player. I stated iLevel could be 10-20 lower than your current duty, for titan it would be item levels 50-60, which includes garudas weapon and AK gear. Expecting people to be in iLevel 70 gear is kind of a mute point as in they already have the gear why would they do it/need it. I'm not saying it doesn't help, I'm saying not to disregard lower geared players. And the reason you shouldn't leave is because the healers don't know they wont survive that until they try it. If people keep leaving they will never know until they get there.

[Lurkios]

Expecting people to be in iLevel 70 gear is kind of a mute point as in they already have the gear why would they do it/need it. I'm not saying it doesn't help, I'm saying not to disregard lower geared players.

The weapon may not have been the best example. It would be unreasonable to expect anyone attempting HM to have any more than a Garuda weapon. However, Darklight is perfectly attainable via CM/Prae/WP/AK at that point and I do believe that it's entirely reasonable to expect folks to queue with at least full Darklight on the left and some decent crafts or AK on the right. One should not queue for a dungeon hoping to get carried.

And the reason you shouldn't leave is because the healers don't know they wont survive that until they try it. If people keep leaving they will never know until they get there.

There's two sides to that one. Yes, the healer does need to learn. The healer also could have shouted in Mor Dhona a single time or watched a video and they'd have known without wasting everyone elses time. There does come a point where you would simply like to get past Titan (or at the very least have a reasonable shot at him and fail due to a lack of skill rather than a combined lack of gear), and you lose patience with the 15th group in a row of players 20 WP runs and a few primals from being close to being able to attempt him. I honestly do not play this game to teach or to carry others. I do it for my own enjoyment. Sometimes I do enjoy helping, sometimes I do not want to spend another 30 minutes with another undergeared DF group trying to auto-attack and build up that LB that wont get us past heart anyway. That's just not fun.

[Zedine]

However, Darklight is perfectly attainable via CM/Prae/WP/AK at that point and I do believe that it's entirely reasonable to expect folks to queue with at least full Darklight on the left and some decent crafts or AK on the right.

I agree to some point, and have edited the main post to reflect it. But expecting 8/8 to be full darklight in Duty Finder, good luck. What I am trying to say is not to dismiss a run because of some people being under geared(in your eyes) or failing once or twice.

Yes, the healer does need to learn. The healer also could have shouted in Mor Dhona a single time or watched a video and they'd have known without wasting everyone elses time.

Yes watching a video does help, but a video doesn't show a parser, and most videos show wins, not wipes. They cant be analyzing and comparing which gear they can have and not have for Titan. The way people should play, is they try it, fail, upgrade, until success. If skill alone doesn't help you win then you need gear. But to attune your skills to a fight you need to keep playing it. No amount of gear will get you a titan win if you do not have the skill.

[matic]

Even when coming across people like this I think we can still be the better player and not leave a Duty we are all trying to complete.

sure, except i gaurantee that the rude player already left at first sign of things not going perfectly, at least that's what happens on primals. less of that in dungeons but still.

[Chiramu]

One thing new players should do is check out strats for dungeons online before going into DF. Even when levelling or running AK and WP it's just right to check out the strats posted online so you know the bosses abilities, and roughly what to expect.

I did encounter someone tanking in AK with DF, he said he was new but he did not even bother to check strats online. You can't really teach a tank how to tank in AK through chat window, especially since there are a lot of players who don't read and respond to chat very quickly.

Etiquette should also extend to the newbies to learn as much as they can before even heading into the dungeon as well. Older players should of course be welcoming, but the newbies have to put the work in too.

[Zedine]

sure, except i gaurantee that the rude player already left at first sign of things not going perfectly, at least that's what happens on primals. less of that in dungeons but still.

That may be true, but that's why I wrote this post, to kind of persuade all players to try a little harder for the common goal. I find it odd that people forget they were just there 1 or 2 months ago. That they expect everyone to be elite players for a Duty Finder, which most people can do, if they were just given a chance and some time.

[Zedine]

Etiquette should also extend to the newbies to learn as much as they can before even heading into the dungeon as well. Older players should of course be welcoming, but the newbies have to put the work in too.

I think this is covered in my original post.

Also, it might just be my play style, but personally I prefer going into fights blindly, because I want to learn the game. Just like the first people to beat it. They didn't have guides, and they didn't need them, so you shouldn't either. That being said it is unfair to wipe a party due to this, so advising about wipe mechanics like repel is easy, and it doesn't need a full fight explanation.

(edited for most recent reply)