Question for the "its fun" people

[rowdey1]

I am not one of those people that only sees things one way ... i completely understand people enjoy different things . I am in no way saying that what i enjoy is the only thing that matters however

I have played enough MMOs ( yes i am usually in the hardcore raiding guilds) to see a trend ... and that is when a game leaves end game at a stand still it usually hurts the game alot sometimes beyond repair.

I am not saying every new content patch needs to have upgraded gear ... what i am saying is they need to put SOMETHING in for people that like to progress ,to progress... whether its gear or even better a form of AA system.

One thing i can say for sure is that say 2.2 is 3 months away .... then 6 months from launch with 1 raid that can be done in 1 hour a week ... is not enough

[Wobi]

I am not one of those people that only sees things one way ... i completely understand people enjoy different things . I am in no way saying that what i enjoy is the only thing that matters however

I have played enough MMOs ( yes i am usually in the hardcore raiding guilds) to see a trend ... and that is when a game leaves end game at a stand still it usually hurts the game alot sometimes beyond repair.

I am not saying every new content patch needs to have upgraded gear ... what i am saying is they need to put SOMETHING in for people that like to progress ,to progress... whether its gear or even better a form of AA system.

One thing i can say for sure is that say 2.2 is 3 months away .... then 6 months from launch with 1 raid that can be done in 1 hour a week ... is not enough

Be sure and let us know once you've beaten all the Extreme Primals. They are not catering this game to the hardcore crowd, they stopped doing it in FFXI and pretty much every other MMO in existence because you don't make them all that much money compared to the larger majority of the more casual players. As I can see you still have a fair few pieces of Darklight gear on your BLM it would appear you could actually progress your character with some Crystal tower gear while you work towards that full iLVL 90 set.

I fail to see how anyone cannot grasp the benefit of the content coming out in 2.1

[rowdey1]

Be sure and let us know once you've beaten all the Extreme Primals. They are not catering this game to the hardcore crowd, they stopped doing it in FFXI and pretty much every other MMO in existence because you don't make them all that much money compared to the larger majority of the more casual players. As I can see you still have a fair few pieces of Darklight gear on your BLM it would appear you could actually progress your character with some Crystal tower gear while you work towards that full iLVL 90 set.

I fail to see how anyone cannot grasp the benefit of the content coming out in 2.1

your right ... recent mmos have catered to the less hardcore crowd .... and one thing that all have in common is a very short life span

as far as my gear goes yes i have 3 pieces left .. and currently 1500 myth tombs . so after tomarrow one way or another ill be full 90

[Wobi]

your right ... recent mmos have catered to the less hardcore crowd .... and one thing that all have in common is a very short life span

as far as my gear goes yes i have 3 pieces left .. and currently 1500 myth tombs . so after tomarrow one way or another ill be full 90

Well congrats on fully gearing one job, but as it is the progression rate is just fine. If they added new harder content then Coil all of that IlVL90 gear would be lower-tier within one patch, so that would be three months of work to spend a couple weeks at top dog status. That sort of thing irritates people when they constantly replace the new best gear at a rate faster than people can reasonably gain it.

[rowdey1]

Well congrats on fully gearing one job, but as it is the progression rate is just fine. If they added new harder content then Coil all of that IlVL90 gear would be lower-tier within one patch, so that would be three months of work to spend a couple weeks at top dog status. That sort of thing irritates people when they constantly replace the new best gear at a rate faster than people can reasonably gain it.

like i said it doesnt have to be gear .. there are multiple ways a game can add progression

[Wobi]

like i said it doesnt have to be gear .. there are multiple ways a game can add progression

That is somewhat contradictory to your original post sir but I'll bite. I think the key difference in how I feel is my own progression is a small part of my enjoyment, yes I've decked out my character but whenever someone on my Coil team gets a drop or someone dings 50 on a new class I feel good because our team as a whole has improved. We are very much looking forward to the Company Housing and pimping it out, who knows there may even be bonuses from having one that affect you in game.

They're also adding multiple paths to gear up and get new weapons/gear, from my point of view that is progression.

[rowdey1]

what i meant by other means of progression would be something like an AA system perhaps

[Machazareel]

your right ... recent mmos have catered to the less hardcore crowd .... and one thing that all have in common is a very short life span

Not really. I know people like to pretend like there's a rapidly growing MMO graveyard, but very few of the reasonably budgeted themepark MMOs released in the last half decade have actually died. They may have gone F2P, but that isn't the death of a game, even though people with extremely antiquated viewpoints like to think so. For the most part, they're doing fine. You don't need millions of subs to be successful.

[Dano]

OP not everyone is as lucky as you with regards to drops from Coil so to them it's still progression even when 2.1 goes live. Have you cleared turn 5? have you gotten the weapons? it'll be buffed to i95, so that's something for people to strive for.

I'm going to enjoy the hell out of 2.1, even if CT drops are subpar gear there is still much to learn, it's fun to see your own group find new strategies on new content, doing world firsts, guiding new people, messing around with different group setups to optimize the run..etc.

Not everything has to be increased in x stats or numbers to be qualify as progression.