I'm sad to see this game going the same route as SWTOR.

[Xairos]

Could you have imagined what would have happened if Blackwing Lair had released at a difficulty level lower than MC though? And we all got a piece of max level gear every 2 weeks?

I fully understand your question. I do. And I agree. But there approach is attempting something somewhat foreign to us veteran mmo players. Its almost as if it is attempting a seperate but equal (even though they are changing coil to drop better weapons. Which i think will benefit a job much better than gear) paths.

I never played SWTOR but I heard the game was such a failure because they pretty much handed you BiS and that was the end of it. Here we are 3 months into the game and I know several people in full i90 already and most people I have on my friends list are on turns 4 or 5. And we're still 4 months away from any content that can actually use i90 as well... That's what is wrong.

What overall percentage of the playing population are the people you described? I got through titan behind the early curve, and I just recently (this week) got my relic +1. Im not bragging, but im saying I would wager that many are just playing what they want how they want. I dont think the majority are clamoring for ilvl90 content as much as the forums suggest. But this is just a theory.

As for handing out gear not feeling rewarding, that is somewhat subjective. My current gear could be said to be given to me. My DF to FC ratio of Hard Primal fights (for the weapons) is 10:1. So I kinda threw myself at the RNG in order to get stuff as opposed to making a static. I just relied on time to slow get where I am. And I view Relic armor vs Allagan as a cosmetic choice for me. I know this is subjective, but it makes me as a player happy to have options on what I want to wear (Darklight was another story lol).

[Sygmaelle]

I can't even remember the number of times I did raids in previous mmos where I was simply too much geared just for the sake of helpin people that were gettin in the guild, help them to gear up, collect the gear for vanity and stuff like that, it's always a pleasure if the mechanics are fun.

Crystal Tower have bosses who got pretty much the same abilities than in FF III and I don't doubt that SE added another layer. Who cares if its actually really challenging if you re havin fun by doin it. Isn't it what it's all about ? It's fillin the gap between darklight and allagan gear, that's the whole purpose of, so you can have easier time at progressin in coils with slightly more powerfull gear.

If the itemisation of CT, in terms of stats is better than DL (which is almost total crap for pretty much all the jobs), then it's absolutely relevant as content if it can help you to challenge harder tiers of progression. So yeah. Also SE said that they are workin on improvin the netcode so position can be updated in realtime but that will only affect endgame and pvp, otherwise it'd cause too much load on the server. So I still don't know why people are beein worried.

It's a mmo, it got a design / functionment at the base that just got refined over time and it's exactly what SE is doin atm. Tbh I'm not rollin a 3rd toon atm because I'm sick to death of AK /WP runs outside the purpose of beein capped in myth so additional things to do is a more than welcomed change. I'm not of this guy complainin for everything, I guess that you can sign up with 3 groups at the same time for CT and end up in the same instance. If not, well too bad, gonna wait for a proper 24 men signin up to be implanted, its not biggie, its not like theres no other content in that patch to do

[Xairos]

Well, no. You're still missing my issue with it.

The issue I have is that the development team has put a lot of time and effort into a raid that will be largely either ignored or made trivial by people who are running it already outgearing it alongside people who DON'T outgear it. It's irrelevant content. It's content that isn't challenging for people unless you're in my shoes - just hit 50, haven't run a lot of WP/AKs for tomes - and even then, it'll be trivialized through the use of Duty Finder matching 8 people with 16 strangers, several of whom most likely already outgear it. Or for people that are leveling alternate classes of course (the key comment on loving my SMN placing emphasis on those classes being alternate, by the way).

As for making your own party, I agree is it kinda silly. Time will tell if they reverse that decision. As for me not understanding you, I think I actually do. I may have just not conveyed it in my text. You are saying that the time should be focused on making something harder than coil, yes? So as to not be irrelevant. I say that at this point in 14's life, any content if relevant. Who knows, maybe they will introduce Transmogrification. Then places like Brayflox will explode with people running it who out gear it.

Also, before we get carried away. We cannot dismiss the fact that SE may have different teams working on different content. Remember their monetary income is rather static since this is a sub game and not F2P. If it were F2P then you would be very correct in thinking that they have few who can work on and churn out this content.

[Faelandaea]

I shall be the first . . . and ONLY . . . individual here to admit that I just play because I like it. I do not play for gear, or ranks or ways to show off to another player. I just play because I like to do something in my free time when the weather sucks outside.

With that said, there there ARE days where I do NOT like it. Fortunately there are so many awesome MMO games out there that my mood can take me wherever I want.

I never see the point in sitting there thinking, "Okay so i am not having fun any more, therefore I shall assess that this game is on a downturn or going out of business, etc, etc, infinity." I see that on EVERY MMO forum, and yet each of those MMO games are still enjoyed by so many people that the communities are still strong in every one of them.

Also, bear in mind that this game has been out for not even a year . . . in fact not even half a year. It is new and fresh and still well within development. People get their character leveled and because they did so faster than the devs could make new content, they automatically assume that there is no future content coming and that the game is pretty much dead. Isn't it much easier to take a step back and log onto one of the other MMO games that you play (especially since I do not know of anyone who plays only one game).

For me personally it's: FFXIV ticked me off today because I had a bad day of healing . . . time to explore the final frontier in STO . . . oh wait! STO gave me that awesome driver crash with season 8 . . . time for Neverwinter . . . BAH! The Ranger isn't released yet . . . OH!!!!! AWESOME!!!! I apparently have a family. I guess i shall have dinner with them

Just a disclaimer that this is just my post to show how I feel about the game, and I am not claiming anyone to be absolutely right or wrong. It is simply my opinion that this game is doing fine and that we will most likely see future content beyond what is discussed here.

[zdub303]

What overall percentage of the playing population are the people you described? I got through titan behind the early curve, and I just recently (this week) got my relic +1. Im not bragging, but im saying I would wager that many are just playing what they want how they want. I dont think the majority are clamoring for ilvl90 content as much as the forums suggest. But this is just a theory.

Gosh who knows right? I doubt I'm just somehow friends with the 1% of the population that's almost through coil, so I suspect the ratio of players deep in coil vs not is quite a bit higher than you would expect from other games. I'm completely fine with myth gear itself being the way it is. But I think it would have been more compelling if it was only rewarded from higher level, more difficult content. Maybe that's what AF2 is designed to be though, higher level token raid gear.

i.e. - Extreme Primals, Coil, CT (maybe? depends how difficult it actually is), and HM dungeons designed for players in full i70 with i80+ weapon. It would have actually been a progression system then.

[Davionx]

Only a small % of the population is doing coil. The new zone will be used by many people.

[Destinova]

How many people already payed for 180day sub? I did. And I will be extending to the 270 day asap. A lot of people will be doing this I think. See you all in game!

[Xairos]

180 days is my contest testing period. I paid up to next feb.

[Okunbunu]

Are you suuuure you mean "1.0"? As in, the initial launch of FF14? As in, the really really bad one? Not the later PATCHES that improved the game immensely? You suuuuure you mean 1.0?

Positive bro. I had a reason to log on every single day in 1.0 --- Relic weapons were hard to get. Garuda needed a good group of geared people to complete and the weapons were 2nd best in the game. Dark Light gear (OR THE BEST GEAR) wasn't a joke to get in the game. Mobs could be farmed for various items because crafting wasnt a joke to get to 50 - - - Each mob in the game had a purpose for a specific craft level. Gathering wasnt a complete joke where you could farm 200 of an item within an hour only to flood the markets and drop the price. You needed so many materials in order to get your way to level 50 and even then the materials were still used in spiritbonding ..... ANOTHER complete joke in this linear stat game...

[Borfin]

So what you're saying is, the game was better when you had to grind endlessly.

Sure.

Sounds fun to me.

How's them nostalgia goggles workin for ya?