I'm sad to see this game going the same route as SWTOR.

[Seig345]

[...] Their decision to release CT AFTER Coil and make it a lower tier raid has reaching consequences I've already gone over [...]

They didn't plan CT as additional content for patch 2.1, their decision was to release CT at launch with the rest of the game. It was delayed until 2.1 due to it not being ready, additional maintenance was necessary and rather than delay the whole game over one dungeon, they simply withheld content until they were able to release it. The decision for CT to be a lower tier than BC was made before we even set foot in beta.

The alternative would have been to simply release it in a state they considered unfinished, which likely would have hurt the game more than helped.

[midnitdragoon]

this game should have been more like ff11 from the beginning to survive the long run. don't know wtf the devs were thinking. "Hey guys lets not get anything out of our previous mmorpg, i mean it worked but forget that...lets try out what WoW and the other modern mmos do".... yea way to go squeenix.

[Borfin]

I understand their intent was not what happened.

But their intent doesn't matter, because this is what happened, and the consequences will follow. Difficulty finding groups, etc. is going to happen as a result.

[Sylve]

Because WoW has been so successful lately right? Last i bothered to check, they were down to 7 mil subs, from the 12 - 13 million they had previously?

FF14 is FF14. I wouldn't be here if it was just a clone of existing MMOs

[Borfin]

Because WoW has been so successful lately right? Last i bothered to check, they were down to 7 mil subs, from the 12 - 13 million they had previously?

FF14 is FF14. I wouldn't be here if it was just a clone of existing MMOs

...except it plays just like other MMOs in enough ways to be called a clone. WoW is still by far the most successful game in the genre and other MMOs are (understandably) following its example. FFXIV is far closer to WoW than it is to FFXI. WHO, SWTOR all played very similarly to WoW.

What was the point of this post?

[SynMaris]

Because WoW has been so successful lately right? Last i bothered to check, they were down to 7 mil subs, from the 12 - 13 million they had previously?

FF14 is FF14. I wouldn't be here if it was just a clone of existing MMOs

All things considered, and how old it is, is pretty damn good. 10 years, people move on, seems normal.

[peaches]

I understand their intent was not what happened.

But their intent doesn't matter, because this is what happened, and the consequences will follow. Difficulty finding groups, etc. is going to happen as a result.

Agreed. I know they don't always work on content in the proper order we would progress through it, but coming close to release you think they would have prioritized CT and put coils on hold until 2.1. They HAD to have toned down coils a fair bit, because in most cases you shouldn't be able to do a raid without first obtaining the iLvl gear from the raid leading up to it. If CT came out first and we all had full iLvl 80 gear to take on Coils with I'm sure the difficulty would have to be higher than it is currently.

I will still do CT for both the vanity gear, to gear up alt classes, and just for the fun of it, but I have a feeling the majority of players who already have nearly full iLvl 90 gear will be doing this.

[Seig345]

I understand their intent was not what happened.

But their intent doesn't matter, because this is what happened, and the consequences will follow.

Yes, Cause and effect, that's great, but if you're going to complain about the direction the game is headed in, complain the next step of BC in patch 2.2, because that would be the direction the game is headed in, not CT.

[Borfin]

Yes, Cause and effect, that's great, but if you're going to complain about the direction the game is headed in, complain the next step of BC in patch 2.2, because that would be the direction the game is headed in, not CT.

Whether you like it or not, the decision to do this with CT was a conscious one and therefore is a step in the direction the game is headed. I believe the devs will learn from this mistake, but it's STILL a mistake and WILL cost the game subs.

[megaman]

I apologize for being rude and labeling others initially. I realize not everyone has the same definition on what content is; nonetheless I will still be enjoying the content patch 2.1 has to offer. I would like to suggest however to those who say they have no interest in leveling different jobs; just try it out. Before you say its boring and not content at least try it. For me anyways, running the level 50 content on new jobs is fun and helps things feel fresh. For me anyways. Whether you choose to do this or not is entirely up to you; its just a suggestion. Good day fellow forum goers!