I'm sad to see this game going the same route as SWTOR.

[Borfin]

Yeah, I mean losing 500,000 your subscribers at the end of the sec- Wait, we didn't? Carry on then.

Note you claimed "If there was more to run than AK/WP..

You do realize beastmen dailies will provide tomes of mythology.

I did not realize this. This is good news.

As will treasure hunting and the three new dungeons? (PHaros Sirius and the two new hard modes.) That means 5 dungeons that you can choose to run for mythology. Then again there's the beastman dailies/treasure hunting and the duty roulette. They also mentioned crystal tower will provide tomes of mythology. So your "lack of options for myth" is going to be done away with.

Problem with CT is still what I stated; if it's less efficient than speedrunning, it'll be largely ignored. Don't get me wrong, I still run Prae for tomes even though it's crappy, but I'm in the minority here, and I'll only do it 4-5 times total as opposed to ~100 for WP. This should never be the case with a raid tier, the be-all-end-all of endgame content.

Finding groups for it will be more difficult if it isn't more efficient, and if it IS, it'll only last that way as long as people need myth tomes. The thing is, the percentage of the playerbase that has completed Coil is only going to increase, and those people will have no need for CT.

I never said there was a lack of options. Reread the post; it's a new game, it's OK to have limited content. I'm sad with the direction the devs are taking it, as it's poor choice. That still leaves the devs' ignorance of the netcode issue - or rather their lack of visually acknowledging it.

If the only thing you care about is gear for yourself then may MMOs are not for you.

Ahahahahaha. Way to completely misread the post.

[Reslin]

I did not realize this. This is good news.

I never said there was a lack of options. Reread the post; it's a new game, it's OK to have limited content. I'm sad with the direction the devs are taking it, as it's poor choice. That still leaves the devs' ignorance of the netcode issue - or rather their lack of visually acknowledging it.

I apologize for my harsh tone when saying "You do realize." some people disregard things like that. I also see that you're willing to actually debate than state opinions as facts which is why I'm apologizing for how my first post to you was worded. Sorry about the assumption. CT not being efficient? It really depends on how much myth tomes it requires. It may give an obscene number given the scale of the content; it may not. I can't say one way or another but I will say this.. the netcode issue did get addressed. They stated that it can't be fixed entirely but they're going to make it less problematic in end game dungeons and content. They can't do it for the whole game but they can do it in specific instances so there will be an upgrade to it. Better than nothing I suppose. Honestly, the .3 second delay is my biggest gripe with the game even if I can work around it. There's still the fact that there's going to be 5 "End game dungeons" aside from crystal tower. So there might be something aside from running just WP/AK there's also a possibility one of these areas will be even more efficient but.. that's also just speculation.

Actually... Game sold 1mil+ but only managed to retain 600k or so, expect that number to decline bruv.
http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/11/...g-subscribers/

No. That's completely normal and isn't a decline. Those were never people that subscribed (paid a monthly fee.) SWTOR lost 500,000 subscribers by the end of their second month. 500,000 people who already paid their 15 dollars. WoW sold well over 60,000,000 copies. Most people that buy an mmo don't subscribe. Many people buy it just to try it out and don't play longer than their 30 days. Most mmo's drop to abysmally low numbers by the third month. Also note this 500,000 of those players joined in october. By that update they haven't yet put in any payment. Their initial 30 days aren't up. How many of them subscribed? How many of them didn't? We don't currently have access to those numbers.

[SynMaris]

Snip.

SWTOR's initial dip was the typical one too, but eventually the games lack of content is what did it in, which is what is going to happen here if they don't get their shit together.

[Reslin]

SWTOR's initial dip was the typical one too, but eventually the games lack of content is what did it in, which is what is going to happen here if they don't get their shit together.

No it wasn't the typical one. They lost 500,000 subs. We didn't.

[SynMaris]

No it wasn't the typical one. They lost 500,000 subs. We didn't.

1.4 MIL to 600K, you're right, you didn't lose 500k, you lost more.

BTW sources for your claims please, you always make that claim but never source it.

[Reslin]

1.4 MIL to 600K, you're right, you didn't lose 500k, you lost more.

BTW sources for your claims please, you always make that claim but never source it.

1.4 million box copies sold. Those aren't subscribers. State your source that these people actually subscribed to the game before they stopped playing. Do you even know what a subscriber is? Also source incoming. My memory was fuzzy it's right here. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...since-february so I was wrong how long since release before subs dropped. I'll admit that.

[Incredible]

1.4 million bo copies sold. Those aren't subscribers. State your source that these people actually subscribed to the game before they stopped playing. Do you even know what a subscriber is? Also source incoming.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02...ats-financial/

[Update: Darth Hater has compiled some additional TOR-related statistics and Q&A from today's EA earnings call: "2,000,000+ copies sold, 40% sold through Origin; 1,700,000+ active subscribers, 1 million concurrent." The company also notes that "Active subscribers means anyone paying OR in their trial period. MOST of those 1.7m are paying at this point."]

[SynMaris]

1.4 million box copies sold. Those aren't subscribers. State your source that these people actually subscribed to the game before they stopped playing. Do you even know what a subscriber is? Also source incoming. My memory was fuzzy it's right here. http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...since-february so I was wrong how long since release before subs dropped. I'll admit that.

I'm talking about your FFXIV numbers bro, the ones you keep throwing out there.

[Incredible]

No it wasn't the typical one. They lost 500,000 subs. We didn't.

Didn't they also have something like 1.5mil subs to FF14's 600k?

[Raze_Krauser]

SWTOR's initial dip was the typical one too, but eventually the games lack of content is what did it in, which is what is going to happen here if they don't get their shit together.

SWTOR didn't fail because of lack of content. It failed due to poor support and horrible PvP design (except Huttball).

Ilum was a disaster, Soa's platforms were consistantly bugged despite Bioware claiming they fixed it. Every world was designed to keep Empire and Alliance factions apart, which killed World PvP from the get go.